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|Feb-06-08|| ||OhioChessFan: Today's Quote from the home page.
If it were just a question of winning or losing, if it were not possible to play a brilliant game, to make an incredible queen sacrifice, to play the occasional shocking or outrageous move, then I suspect many people would not play chess. It simply would not be worth it; such a difficult game and with so few rewards.
--- Jonathan Levitt
|Feb-07-08|| ||D.Observer: A candidate for the longest immobility is black's 'a' ♙.|
|Feb-07-08|| ||OhioChessFan: I was curious about that, <DO> so I took a look at Tim Krabbe's website. http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess/c... Here's what he had to say about immobile Pawns:|
<Vidarsson - Hjartarson, Iceland 1994, began with 1.e4 e5 and those pawns were still there when a draw was agreed after move 180.
Valkesalmi - Agopov, Finland 1998, began with 1.c4 c5 2.b3 d5 and that pawn stayed on d5 until it was captured with 184.Nxd5 >
Amazing. If we'd only played another 140 moves, we might have set the record! Maybe it's a record in a consultation game.
Neither of those games cited are in this site's database.
|Feb-17-08|| ||dickduval: I think it's best to analyze a game by making a check mark next to any !!! or ??? move while it's going on, and then see if your opinion stands up when the game is over and you've replayed it at least twice. Sounds dull but it works.|
|Oct-03-08|| ||Super Chess Man: I think this is a very poorly played game by all ! You should be ashamed of yourself !|
|Oct-03-08|| ||just a kid: <Super Chess Man>How dare you say that!|
|Dec-07-08|| ||hidude: wait, black got a draw out of the St. George? wow...|
|Jan-24-09|| ||WhiteRook48: ok, 1...a6? is just weird|
|Feb-01-09|| ||WhiteRook48: wait a minute, that was the St George Defense. 1...b5?! is just weird|
|Feb-05-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Black might have won, like the Karpov-Miles game with the same thing
Correction from my earlier post: I meant 2...b5|
|Aug-13-09|| ||mack: Ah, good times.|
|Oct-11-09|| ||The Chess Express: I have a healthy respect for this opening. I've actually dropped a game or two against. For what it's worth I've come to favor the following setup for white. |
1. e4 a6
2. d4 b5
3. f4 Bb7
4. Bd3 Nf6
5. Qe2 e6
6. Nf3 c5
7. c3 Be7
8. O-O O-O
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Black has slightly better development. White has more space. Usually white can build up a slow, methodical attack from here while keeping black in check on the queenside.
I feel that this game was played at a very high level. Obviously <Super Chess Man>'s comment was a cry for attention. Congratulations are in order to both teams.
|Oct-25-09|| ||Qb6: I prefer 1. e4 a6 2. d4 b5 3. c4 ♗b7. Then the alternatives:|
4. ♗d3? bxc4 5. ♗xc4 ♗xe4
4. ♘c3! b4 5. ♕b3 ♘c6
|Oct-27-09|| ||The Chess Express: One possible line might be
1. e4 b5
2. d4 a6
3. c4 Bb7
4. Nc3 b4
5. Qb3 Nc6
6. Ne2 e6
7. Nf3 Nf6
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|Feb-28-12|| ||karnak64: Today's opening of the day, and I remember this game fondly -- the inaugural team challenge on CG.com IIRC.|
|Oct-08-12|| ||OhioChessFan: Fond memories indeed. With the hidden voting, I think Team Black might have been more shocked than Team White at 1...a6.|
|Apr-09-14|| ||Domdaniel: <Ohio> -- < With the hidden voting, I think Team Black might have been more shocked than Team White at 1...a6.>
Very true. As I've said before, I changed my vote (from 1...e6 to 1...a6) at literally the last minute, so I feel some responsibility for the course of this game. It seems obvious that if those voting for 1...c5 and 1...e5 had known the real situation then one of those moves would have won.|
However, I'm still bemused by those people who seem to think that 1...a6 is 'bizarre' or 'bound to lose'. If nothing else, we struck a blow for unusual openings. With a little more confidence, we might even have won.
Incidentally, am I right in thinking that hidden voting has not been used since?
|Oct-05-14|| ||OhioChessFan: Every so often this opening comes up as opening of the day and for old time's sake I take a look at this game. It sure beats the thought of looking at a game where we started 1...c5.|
<Dom> no question that 1...c5 and 1...e5 voters wouldn't have allowed 1...a6 to win with open voting. Phooie on them.
|Oct-05-14|| ||OhioChessFan: <Annie: Perhaps this wasn't due to any organization - maybe it's just that, what with the vote numbers hidden, a few too many jokers over there thought voting for 1...a6 was funny. I wonder which team is more surprised now? ;p >|
Ahh, the woman's intuition thing strikes again.
|Oct-05-14|| ||Annie K.: <Ohio> Oddly enough, I call it common sense. ;)|
|Aug-06-15|| ||OhioChessFan: There's no hope for anyone who doesn't love this game.|
|Aug-07-15|| ||offramp: What were the team names in the second game?|
|Feb-17-16|| ||Domdaniel: I still love this game. Almost as much as I enjoyed being part of the Black team, nearly ten years ago.
As I recall it, we were coming off the recent win against Arno Nickel, which was the first of Team CG's 'World' wins. There was a sense that RV's computing power was more powerful than anything else available - but that quirky play, perversity, and a willingness to bend a few classical precepts might just confuse the engine and its acolytes.|
It should be noted that the St George, 1...b6, isn't really that weird. It is certainly less radical than its reputation, which seems to consist of the Miles win vs Karpov and little else. But 1...a6 transposes into the Polish Defence, 1.d4 b5 2.e4 a6, which I saw played between a couple of 2100+ players last week. The St George is actually more playable than such dubious lines as Owen's 1...b6.
On closer examination, it's quite playable: Black will play ...a6, ...b5, ...e6, ...c5, and later ...d6 or ...d5, with a regular pawn formation and solid development. It's just the first move, 1...a6, that scares people.
Having said that, I'm not sure that anyone would risk playing it against an engine-backed team today. Ten years ago, there was still a sense that comps, strong as they were, had a few blind spots which could be systematically exploited. I don't think anyone has that idea now - engines are just too strong, and any less than optimal opening will be crushed.
|Feb-17-16|| ||Domdaniel: Hmm. Was 1...a6 just the Donald Trump of its day?|
|Feb-17-16|| ||OhioChessFan: Maybe, but unlike Trump supporters, the a6 supporters were in on the joke.|
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