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Veit Wehner vs Ilja Zaragatski
LGA Premium Cup (2006)  ·  Nimzo-Larsen Attack: Modern Variation (A01)  ·  0-1
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Feb-01-11  VincentL: "Easy"

As soon as I looked at this, I thought 20..... Qxb2 must be the move. White´s queen is guarding the back rank, and if he plays 21. Qxb2, there follows 21.....Re1+ 22. Rf1 Rxf1 mate.

So black emerges a rook up.

Let´s check.

Feb-01-11
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  AylerKupp: <<An Englishman>: Good Evening: Can anyone explain 9.Rb1?>

9.Rb1 was a necessary preparation for the rook fianchetto, 19.Rb2. LOL. Has anybody ever seen an uglier looking move?

If this game had been played in the late 1920’s I can see Richard Reti saying “No! It is the bishop you fianchetto, not the rook! The bishop!!!”

Feb-01-11  1.e4effort: I just re-played this game from the beginning. Wehner must have been sleep deprived...he made some goofy moves there - as already noted, the two aRook moves, then lifting his other R on move 19 and then sliding his Q to a1. He must have given up at that point or something. I don't get it.... maybe the other guy had really bad breath and he just couldn't wait to get away from the board...?!?!
Feb-01-11
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  beenthere240: With a 500 point ratings difference, white was probably just trying to make it to move 20. And he did!!!
Feb-01-11
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  Marmot PFL: Rb2 and c4 was a really strange idea.
Feb-01-11  BOSTER: It seems to me, that <CG> looks at <Daily Puzzles> games only from one angle- how to get the position with any tactics. But if you not only "puzzle purist",and want to see not only the diagram ,but the all game to understand ideas and read the mind of players you will be very disappointed. If you read such games (like today) ,and if you not bald yet you are getting bald. What can you learn studing these games?
But <CG> believes that this site represent <the best chess learning community>. I doubt, that somebody from <CG> have ever read such games. If they did,they would not represent them for public,especially after amazing performance in TaTa Steel.
Feb-01-11
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  M.Hassan: <AylerKupp>:Regarding 9.Rb1 <....has anybody ever seen an uglier looking move?......It is the Bishop you fianchetto, not the Rook> Indeed and so correctly worded. Best regards
Feb-01-11  wals: Elementary, but I goofed.

Rybka 4 x 64
White error: d 17 : 3 min :
(-0.59):9.Rb1. Best,

1. = (-0.13): 9.fxe4 Nxe4 10.Nxe4 dxe4 11.Bc4 Bh4+ 12.g3 Bf6 13.c3 Bxd4 14.cxd4 Bh3 15.Bf1 Be6 16.Qc2 Qd7 17.Be2 Bd5 18.0-0 f5 19.Rac1 c6 20.Bc4 Rac8 21.Be2 g6 22.Qc5 b6 23.Qb4 Kg7

White blunder: d 21 : 10 min ;
(-6.57):20.Qa1. Best,

1. (-1.08): 20.Rb1 Bxb1 21.Qxb1 Re5 22.g3 Rae8 23.Kg2 Qc5 24.a4 g6 25.Qd3 a5 26.h4 Bd8 27.Nf4 b6 28.Bd5 Rf5 29.Be4 Rf6 30.Bd5 Re1 31.h5 Rf5 32.hxg6 hxg6 33.Ne2 Rxd5 34.cxd5 Qxd5+

2. (-2.40): 20.Rc2 Bxc2[] 21.Qxc2 Re1+[] 22.Rf1 Rae8 23.g3 d3 24.Qxd3 Qc1 25.Ne3 Bxe3+ 26.dxe3 Rxf1+ 27.Qxf1 Qxe3+ 28.Kg2 Qd2+ 29.Qf2 Qxf2+ 30.Kxf2 b6 31.Bd5 Kf8 32.h4 Ke7 33.Be4 Rd8 34.Bxh7 Rd2+ 35.Ke3

The game reflected the relative playing strengths of the two players.

Feb-01-11
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  Domdaniel: <BOSTER> You ask for the impossible. There is already a GOTD - Game of the Day - which represents the best play from tournaments such as Wijk. Those games tend to be of top fighting quality throughout.

The daily puzzle is a different creature. On Monday and Tuesday, it has to finish with a nice eacy tactic. Such games are not often played by top players. If you want the tactics, you're generally going to have to accept some mediocrity in the play.

I just wish more 1924 types would play like this against me.

As for the notorious rook fianchetto, some players come up with ideas that are too subtle to work. He sees that he has a good Knight on d5 and wants to play c4 to support it - but not permit ...Bxb1. I suspect White planned a Rb2-f2 maneuver as a fiendish way of doubling rooks 'as soon as the centre pawns have moved'. Failing to see that ...Bd3 would prevent this.

Feb-01-11  BOSTER: <Domdaniel>
GOTD-has no such forum like <Daily Puzzle>, where in discussions sometimes you can find interesting ideas. <If you want the tactics,you are generally going to have to accept some mediocrity in the play> Certainly, to find strong game with tactics not so easy, but possible For ex. Game Carlsen vs Wang Hao, WAZ 2011.
Feb-01-11  James Bowman: About 20 seconds to see and 45 more to confirm. Nice puzzle though.
Feb-01-11
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  cormier:


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Analysis by Fritz 12:

5...Bc5
B 00:00:00


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Analysis by Fritz 12:

6.Be2 0-0 7.0-0 Nxd4 8.exd4 Bb6 9.d3 d5 10.a4 c6 11.Nd2 Bf5 12.dxe4 Nxe4 13.Nxe4 dxe4 14.Qd2 Qd6 15.Qg5 g6 16.Ba3 = (-0.24) Depth: 20/44 00:04:13 267mN

Feb-01-11
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  DarthStapler: Got it easily
Feb-01-11
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  Domdaniel: <BOSTER> You have a point - not so many people comment on the GOTD, certainly much fewer than the puzzle. I still think that the tactics are the point of the puzzle, though - if we get a good game it's a bonus. It often happens later in the week.

And remember too that most people like a puzzle to be unfamiliar. A tactical finish from TaTa would have been seen already by many people, so there would be complaints about that.

Maybe trying to get more discussion going on the GOTD would help? Kibitzers respond if they see other posts appearing.

Feb-01-11
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  Phony Benoni: Perhaps one reason the POTD gets more comments than the GOTD is that there is one specific point where comments are focused. It is much easier to calculate and explain a tactical sequence, even on Sundays, then divine the strategic plans of an entire game.

Also, letting the community know that you have solved a POTD is a matter of prestige. Nothing like showing off for the friends and family.

Here, we also have the added complication of the "pun". Some people spend more time solving and evaluating the pun than they do looking at the game. (Guilty as charged, but I really am trying to improve!)

A result of this is that occasionally low quality games are chosen as GOTDs because a good pun is available. This can discourage solid analysis, both of that game and future games.

Finally, I commented on the "fianchettoed rook" problem some time ago, if you will permit me the luxury of a reference: M Vidmar Jr vs Vidmar, 1947

Feb-01-11  Lennonfan: <domdaniel>i disagree with you totally...in fact i disagree with most things you say...your views on homosexuals are particularly offensive...what are your views on the muslim faith or judaism??just a thought...
Feb-01-11  heurisko: Everyone should read the great post by once on the first page!
Feb-01-11
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  Patriot: <Lennonfan>, <Domdaniel> is a good contributor to this site. I'm wondering why you think he said something offensive?? Regardless...if you go thru life being offended then you have a long road ahead. There is an old expression which starts with "Sticks and stones...". Whatever happened to that??
Feb-02-11  muralman: Back after a long hiatus, and picked up an easy one.
Feb-02-11  Nullifidian: Coming late to the game, but I didn't want to pass this one up.

20... ? "Easy"

20... Qxb2 picks up the rook for free, because of the classic problem of the weak back rank. If 21. Qxb2??, then Re1+ 22. Rf1only move Rxf1#

Feb-02-11
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  Once: This site is what we make it. Want a discussion on strategy rather than tactics? Then all you need to do is start that discussion.

CG needs to appeal to a wide range of chess ability if it is to survive and thrive. And that means that it has to have its Monday/ Tuesday easy puzzles, and that in turn means sometimes using low grade games.

That doesn't have to be a problem - it's just the way it is. But we don't have to be restricted by this. Nearly all the games are there to chat about. It really is up to us.

As an example of this, the Wesley So page (aka The Other Cafe) has more kibitzing that the Kibitzer's Cafe. Why? Not because of anything that CG.com has done - it's what a group of users made happen.

I get a little bored with Monday and Tuesday puzzles, so I rewind the position to find something interesting, tell stories, sing songs, make up jokes.

The future isn't given to us. We make it.

Feb-02-11  Lennonfan: <patriot> i have no problem with you,nor wish to start one,but when <domdaniel> insinuates that i myself am homosexual,makes sick remarks about me being the type of lennon fan like mark chapman,and calls me childish offensive names,then threatens to "rat me out"to staff here when i respond,i take it as a personal attack...and as im not in a situation to respond in any other way,all i can do is disagree...and as for him contributing to this site,i see nothing more than metaphors,cliches,and riddles most people dont understand..in other words i cant stand the fella!
Feb-03-11
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  kevin86: Same theme as Monday-the back row protection is diverted away and the mating pieces come in...
Jan-08-13  Widsith: I got 20 ... Qxb2, but annoyingly I couldn't quite see how to finish White off after

21. Rf1 Qxa1
22. Rxa1

Computer suggests Ra-b8, but I'm not convinced I would have fancied that OTB. Ultimately you're looking for Bxd2, but the line is not as clear to me as it should be for such an obviously strong position.

Jan-08-13
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  whiteshark: It was a real Veit to the finish.
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