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| Nov-10-06 |
| Tomlinsky: <dehanne: Respect for Shirov, who rather goes for the win than settle for a draw.> Ditto. This tournament has been a nice playground for the Shirov Spanish and he has been a bit more himself, although some way to go yet. Good stuff from both players and especially Aronian for proving his point. I'm enjoying this tournament a lot. |
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| Nov-10-06 |
| slomarko: i dont know why is everybody giving 48 ... Ke8 two exlamation marks. i was watching the game and saw it after 46.h7 |
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Nov-10-06
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| veigaman: quite similar the end to this game: J A Corral Blanco vs Capablanca, 1901 |
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| Nov-10-06 |
| vaxel: Incredible game by Aronian! I'm speechless. |
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Nov-10-06
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| Marmot PFL: In the daily puzzle this zugzwang idea would not be hard to find. Also since I was 1800 I understood the danger of getting the king trapped on the rook file in this type ending and the whole plan starting with 38.Kh4 looks bad. Maybe he is much worse/losing anyway but trading pawns must be better. |
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| Nov-10-06 |
| DUS: <Keshishian: I couldn't agree more, especially with the endgame technique. Very instructional game with sharp tactics. Well played, Levon!!> Haven't seen long time your nice postings, but now they are coming again. I don't know much chess, but was able completely understand this endgame and I think chess people will still talk on it. |
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| Nov-10-06 |
| DUS: <vaxel: Incredible game by Aronian! I'm speechless.> Congratulations to you too! This was such nice day for all of us, for all chess funs. |
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| Nov-10-06 |
| DUS: <sheaf: aronian must have seen 48.. Ke8 while playing 43..Ke6, which shirov obviously missed.. and i think a lot of others must have missed... shirov must have been confident at the time of sac that he is winning but aronian saw the magnificant 48..Ke8 which leaves white with no choice but to resign... > <sheaf> I think this is the reality, an excellent analysis of that portion of the game. Thank you! And the game of Pono you have mentioned was brilliant too. |
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| Nov-10-06 |
| shintaro go: Two things: 1) Leko won against Gelfand and 2) by allowing the Marshall, you pretty much give up on winning the game as White. |
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| Nov-11-06 |
| Keshishian: <DUS: Haven't seen long time your nice postings, but now they are coming again.> I came out everytime my favorite players come out and dominate, like Aronian did yesterday. But thank you for a welcome. I probably missed a lot of arguments, but it's probably for the best... How have you been? |
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Nov-11-06
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| acirce: <1) Leko won against Gelfand and 2) by allowing the Marshall, you pretty much give up on winning the game as White.> 3) Shirov went straight for the draw as White in game 1 (theory and Fritz say forced draw, Shirov forced the draw), 4) Lékó played aggressively in game 2, etc. But preconceived stereotypes will prevail no matter what actually takes place on the board. I disagree about 2) though even though the Marshall is pretty drawish. |
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Nov-11-06
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| percyblakeney: <preconceived stereotypes will prevail no matter what actually takes place on the board> I think Leko's reputation as more drawish than Shirov is based on results from many years back and won't change quickly. From year 2000 it looks like this in draw percentage: 2000:
Leko 72%
Shirov 43%
2001:
Leko 83%
Shirov 47%
2002:
Leko 61%
Shirov 48%
2003:
Leko 65%
Shirov 46%
2004:
Leko 78%
Shirov 56%
2005:
Leko 67%
Shirov 44%
Then something happens with Shirov's draw percentage this year and they are closer than ever, Leko with 66% and Shirov with 63% this far. So if things go on like in 2006 rather than as in previous years, more people will probably complain about Shirov's short draws... |
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Nov-11-06
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| acirce: Many draws doesn't mean you "settle for the draw" rather than "go for the win" either, it's got to do with many things including style and level of opposition. As far as short draws go, they are a small minority for Lékó as well as Shirov, although Lékó has a slightly higher frequency since 2000, and I never understood why people focus so much on the exceptions. |
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Nov-11-06
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| Peligroso Patzer: <paulalbert: <notyetagm> and <Peligroso Patzer> I just got back from my run and when I saw how this game had ended I recognized it also as a study I had solved and shown to my chess group about six months ago. I think I got it from the TrainingBot exercises on ICC. Assuming it is a composed study, not from a real game as here, do you know its origins ? I don't have the Flear book. Does he give any citations? Paul Albert> Flear's book (Starting Out: Pawn Endgames, p. 54, Diagram #10) does not give a source for the position. It has the look and feel of a study, rather than a position from an actual game, but who knows? |
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| Nov-11-06 |
| DUS: <Keshishian> Thanks! How are you? It is great that we can follow nice chess games, in particular yesterday's great game of Aronian. You are right, missing a lot of arguments and discussions here is probably for the best. |
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| Nov-11-06 |
| slomarko: <Then something happens with Shirov's draw percentage this year and they are closer than ever> he's getting old. the older he gets the more lekovian will he become. lol. |
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| Nov-11-06 |
| Lt. Col. Majid: <slomarko: <Then something happens with Shirov's draw percentage this year and they are closer than ever> he's getting old. the older he gets the more lekovian will he become. lol.> Not sure what is humorous about you galivanting from page to page bashing Leko. |
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| Feb-02-07 |
| russep: Can someone please tell me how this wins for black |
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Feb-02-07
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| euripides: <russep> the whole ending has turned on Black offering the rook in the corner and then putting white in zugzwang if he takes it. So I think the point is 59.h7 Rf8 60.Kg7 Rh8 61 Kxh8 Kf7 62.b3 cxb3 and Black will queen first. |
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| Sep-07-07 |
| Cripto: Good Game |
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Oct-21-07
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| Peligroso Patzer: Having learned how to post FEN diagrams since this game was played, I am re-posting below a comment from <10-Nov-06>: The concluding phase of this game reminds me of the following study (Black to move and win): 
click for larger view The only winning move is: 1. ... Rh8!! [with the main variation continuing: 2. Kxh8 Kf7 (or Kf8)]. Full anaysis can be found in Starting Out: Pawn Endgames by Glenn Flear. (See Diagram 10 on page 54.) |
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| Oct-21-07 |
| hovik2003: This is another one posted by Andy Soltis in Surprise Endings, ChessLife Jan.,1987 No IX : IM F.Gobet-IM Louis Roos, France 1985
click for larger view
Black to move and win.
Here too only solution is the move 1...Rh8!!
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Oct-27-07
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| notyetagm: This brilliant effort by Aronian finished second in the voting for the prestigious Chess Informant Best Game Prize for Informator 98. |
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Jan-27-08
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| Richard Taylor: I think Shirov made a serious error in not playing either 44 Bb4 or 44 Ba3 or even 44 Bc7! (found by my Chessmaster - ok I only set it for 10 minutes -perhaps someone has analysed this - or can do so on a better computer?) ) but I cant find a win for Black. Usually the Marshall, which is indeed dangerous - paradoxically ends in a draw at the GM level... |
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May-15-09
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| Jonathan Sarfati: Shows the great benefit of knowing endgame studies. |
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