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Tibor Tolnai vs Zoltan Gyimesi
Hungary 1993  ·  Spanish Game: Open Variations. Main Lines (C80)  ·  0-1


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Nov-17-06   Halldor: I got this instantly! - But to be honest I should say that I first used some time to speculate on the threats from White. (I did see that it was Black to move...) When I at last began to find a move for Black I got the solution at once - to my surprise. So I guess this was an easy Friday, but I liked it and I'm not asking for more difficult puzzles.
Nov-17-06   Ch3ckmate: weird, i get mondays and fridays but i have big problems with the other ones.
Nov-17-06   Fisheremon: <avilovi: Our silicon friends suggest how the whites could resist for a longer time: 36. gxh3 Qd2+ 37. Re2 Qxe2+ 38. Qg2 Qe3! 39. Ra4 Re1>

Should be 39...Qc1 40. Kg3 Rb3+ 41. Kh2 Rb2.

White made a bad move (33. Ree7), instead 33. Qe7+ Kg8 34. Rc7 Rb1+ 35. Re1 Rxe1 36. Qxe1 Qd8 37. Rxc6 could lead to a win, and a blunder 34. f4 (better 34. Qc1 with an equal game).

Nov-17-06   nuwanda: <Marco65>: From a mathematical point of view you may be right, but from a practical you are not.

in an OTB-situation i would not think much about the 37.Re2 line. i'm a pawn up, my king is safe, his king+queen are not, f4 and Ra7 are unprotected, probably i have a very fast win, and if i do not, i can play a very good rook ending without any danger...

Nov-17-06
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  kevin86: <ceebo>-After 35...f6 36 Rxh7 fxg5 37 Rh8# -the queen cannot move from d6 to h8.

Too bad,f6 was my move also :(

Nov-17-06   The17thPawn: One of the few Friday's I've gotten and I did find it more readily than Thursday's puzzle but that doesn't mean much as my results with these puzzles is spotty at best. <Marco 65> Enjoyed your analysis as I had dismissed Re2 in my own analysis as a wasted move.
Nov-17-06   Mendrys: Woohoo, I got it! Of course this probably means that it's too easy for a friday puzzle. After spending several minutes analyzing the position with white to move I finally realized it was black to play. There had to be something forcing as white's attack is dangerous albeit 1 move too late. At this point it wasn't hard to see 35...Rxh3+ and the subsequent line. Probably closer to a wednesday caliber puzzle but I'll take it anyway.
Nov-17-06   Tenderfoot: Well, I solved it as white to play today. Yes!! I'm still a chess superstar!
Nov-17-06   TrueBlue: lol, saw it in 2 seconds. I was kind of surprised this was the answer.
Nov-17-06   zb2cr: I saw the appropriate line after about 2 minutes of thought; I went through the lines after 36. gxh3, Rb2+ and spent most of my time looking for forced solutions there, and very little time on the 36. Kxh3 line, since 36. ... Rh1+ and White is obviously in hot water.
Nov-17-06
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  alphee: An easy friday this week.
Nov-17-06
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  pittpanther: I saw this quickly but had a slightly different thought on 36. gxh3. I thought 36. ... Rb2 and if 37. Kg1 then 37. ... Qd1 mates, if 37. Kh1 then 37. ... Qd1 followed by 38. ...Qf3 and if 37. Qg2 then 37. ...Rxg2 followed by 38. ...Qxe7 and with the passed c pawn the ending is easily won. Thoughts?
Nov-17-06   ounos: If 36. gxh3 then Rb2+ (instead of Qd2+)

If 37. Kh1 then Qd1+
38. Qg1 Qf3+

If 37. Qg2, simplest is RxQ+ and QxR, won pawn ending.

No need to mingle with Re2 sort-of defences.

Nov-17-06
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  playground player: I got this one (finally solved a Friday puzzled), but then I found that Rxh1+ will also get you there, albeit only after a protracted chase of the White King by Black's Queen and Rook.
Nov-17-06   Rocafella: <makaveli52: the hard part is realizing its black to move> I thought that 'Black to move' kinda give it away, but, ya know!
Nov-17-06   gala.martin: easiest friday ever
Nov-17-06   avilovi: <kevin86: <ceebo>-After 35...f6 36 Rxh7 fxg5 37 Rh8# -the queen cannot move from d6 to h8.>

You forget that the quenn is actually on d4! If black plays 34...Qd4+

Nov-17-06
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  greensfield: Found the line for Black pretty quick. 35...Rxh3 and saw that the continuation 36. Kxh3 Rh1+ was curtains for white.
White could make more of a fist of it though with the continuation 36. gxh3 Qd2 37. Re2!(deflecting Queen from c1/h6 diagonal) Qxe2 38. Qg2 Qe3 39. Ra4
Nov-17-06
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  Sneaky: I only looked at 35...Rxh3+ 36.gxh3 (I thought it was forced; I guess I was right) but I kept missing the idea of the simple ...f5. I started to think it was a "perpetual is all you got" type puzzle.
Nov-17-06
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  greensfield: Just seen <ounos: If 36. gxh3 then Rb2+ (instead of Qd2+) If 37. Kh1 then Qd1+
38. Qg1 Qf3+
If 37. Qg2, simplest is RxQ+ and QxR, won pawn ending.>
So 36. gxh3 is no defence either. Also
If 36. gxh3 Rb2+ 37. Qg2 Qxf4! is forced mate.
Nov-17-06
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  dzechiel: I thought the capture on h3 was the first move, but it took me a while to work out the variations. I thought the line taken in the game was the clearest (and easiest to see) win for black.
Nov-17-06
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  YouRang: Fairly easy for a Friday, yes. Sac one rook to make room for the other to attack, and this forces the king to a square where the queen can also attack. Suddenly the king is under assault while all his forces seem far away.
Nov-17-06   PefigorSinbulon: Greenfield:

But if 36.gxh3 Rb2+ 37.Kg3! White is safe.

Nov-17-06   melianis: Blah, thought this was a draw puzzle. Black saves it by double rook sacrifice by Rh1 - Rxh3 - Queen gets a perpetual. But it was too easy, I should have looked harder.
Nov-22-06   Zaius: Testing FEN:

Black to play and win:


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