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| Nov-27-06 | | percyblakeney: It's worth repeating that Kramnik played really well until move 33, Fritz hasn't been that impressive even if it's leading the match. |
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| Nov-27-06 | | pedrorib: That's the problem with computers. They never do blunders, and never waste one. |
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Nov-27-06
 | | Peligroso Patzer: "The main desideratum in chess is avoidance of oversight." -- C.J.S. Purdy, The Search for Chess Perfection II, p. 55. |
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| Nov-27-06 | | Grosbill: <alexmagnus: Deliberately?Hehe even if Kramnik planned a deliberate loss, surely he would do it not like THAT> I think you 're wrong and it's the best way to loose a game for K to discreditate the possible victory of the machine. Show me only one world champion ckeckmated in one move in the history without time pressure |
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| Nov-27-06 | | alicefujimori: <Dionyseus>Thanks for the analysis (too lazy to switch on my own Rybka and analyze it myself). So it wasn't clear whether he would win after 33...Re8, but at least he wouldn't be in any danger of losing there. |
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Nov-27-06
 | | Interbond: alexmagnus why wouldn't he loose that way? He could only say it was a blunder and not that he was outplayed.Someone think that's a better way to loose than beeing outplayed.Others are to loose on time. If you you are following debates "blunders" are very often used as an excuse why people lost."He just lost because he blundered"."His opponent didn't play good he was just lucky". Read the debates about Magnus Carlsen, in someone's opinion he is often lucky because his opponents blundered. |
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Nov-27-06
 | | alexmagnus: <Grosbill: <alexmagnus: Deliberately?Hehe even if Kramnik planned a deliberate loss, surely he would do it not like THAT>
I think you 're wrong and it's the best way to loose a game for K to discreditate the possible victory of the machine. Show me only one world champion ckeckmated in one move in the history without time pressure> Not a world champion but still a GM. Karjakin-Nielsen 2005 (blundering his rook in one move)
A world champion Petrosian once blundered his queen in one move.
Steinitz-Chigorin, 1892 - Chigorin misses mate in 2.
For more, see my (fairly incomplete) Grandmaster Blunders Collection. |
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| Nov-27-06 | | capatal: <Amaurosis Schachista> Kramnik suffered Chess blindness
beyond belief today.
Let's hope this will surely strengthen
his resolve vs Fritz next game. |
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| Nov-27-06 | | THE pawn: I am so mad right now. I left after 29...Qa7 thinking that Kramnik played perfectly so far and that Deep Fritz was miles under the grandmaster...then I see a mate in 1. You know, if Kramnik loses by a 1 point margin, I will simply forget it ever existed. Deep fritz is not the proof that computers are stronger than super GMs...definitely not. |
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| Nov-27-06 | | keres777: ALl Hail King Kramsickkk!!! Blaming the Toilet again! |
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Nov-27-06
 | | technical draw: <Chuckles> Yes, of course I agree. If you're going to fix a game you don't do it with a checkmate for crying out loud. A fixed game is an uneventful, let's not draw attention, late resign type game. |
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| Nov-27-06 | | TheSlid: OMG When last I looked, Fritx had just played 29.Rf1 and was expecting a draw by repetition. After 34...Kg8, Kramnik still has the draw (according to the Crafty post by <CG>). So, this is the way the world ends, not with a Bang but a Whimper. 34...Qe3 - So too can I play, Vladimir. |
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Nov-27-06
| | alexmagnus: Or this game with 3(!!!) one-move-blunders: Kramnik vs Topalov, 2005 |
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Nov-27-06
 | | JointheArmy: <ThePawn><Deep fritz is not the proof that computers are stronger than super GMs...definitely not.> Well said! |
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| Nov-27-06 | | iron maiden: I left two hours ago expecting a long Kramnik grind and came back to this instead. In any man vs. machine match there's always at least one silly blunder from the human, but nowhere near on this level. Wow. |
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| Nov-27-06 | | RookFile: I don't know how anybody can say with a straight face that these guys are stronger than Fischer. |
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Nov-27-06
| | technical draw: Next time Kramnik loses we are going to see the dancing Topalov. |
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Nov-27-06
 | | WannaBe: These guys are stronger than Fisc.. Bwaaahhahhahahah.... Okay, okay, these guys are stronger than Kaspa.. Bwaahahhahahahah.... |
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| Nov-27-06 | | you vs yourself: <alexmagnus: ...Petrosian once lost his queen in ne move on a Candidate match.> True and there'll be many such silly blunders by top players in the future. But considering the frequency and severity(2 missed mates in 12 games) and Kramnik's current status, some blunders are more shocking than others. |
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| Nov-27-06 | | Karpova: It's like an unwritten law that in any discussion on <chessgames.com>, whatever it may be about, Fischer has to be mentioned.
Thanks for doing the job this time, <RookFile> |
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Nov-27-06
| | technical draw: Fischer, Fischer, banana bo Bischer. |
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| Nov-27-06 | | alicefujimori: It was a shocking blunder, but at least the game was very interesting and quite exciting until the mate was delivered. I ws quite suprised by 20.Qh5 during the game, but looks like the gamble paid off for DF today. |
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Nov-27-06
 | | Eyal: <Karpova> Not to worry, Fischer has already been mentioned by <vagrantlike> at the bottom of p.15... |
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| Nov-27-06 | | percyblakeney: This game was a tribute to <Bufon>, he may not be able to post anymore but I'm sure all his dozen handles celebrate in silence today... |
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| Nov-27-06 | | alicefujimori: <percy>Was <Bufon> banned by IP? If not, I'm sure he can return and post. But even if an IP add is banned, there are still ways to bypass it. |
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