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|Nov-28-06|| ||chessmoron: I think a win would shut some Kramnik's critics up!|
|Nov-28-06|| ||acirce: A blunder in an exhibition match isn't really such a big deal. It sucks, but such is life. It would have been quite a lot worse if he had done that in Elista!|
Even just next year, people won't think about Kramnik's 2006 "oh, that was when he allowed mate in 1 against a computer", they will think "oh, that was when he came back and won the unified title in that spectacular match against Topalov".
In future books on chess history, ..Qe3?? will be a footnote to a footnote.
|Nov-28-06|| ||Granite: Honestly I think Kramnik's blunder says more about his commitment to the match then his level of play. I think he simply views the Fritz match as a cash grab and doesn't really put much effort into the event.|
|Nov-28-06|| ||Sneaky: <In future books on chess history, ..Qe3?? will be a footnote to a footnote> It ought to be, but I don't think it will be. |
Simply think about other famous blunders in chess history and how pervasive their legends are.
For instance, Capablanca vs M Bain, 1933 the world champion lost to a WOMAN in 11 moves. (I highlight "woman" because that was considered a big deal at the time, of course now it would be unremarkable.)
It was an exhibition game, and Capablanca had the blindfold on. And you would think that such a game would be forgotten, but most chess fans (and 99% of Capablanca fans) know all about that particular debacle. And Capablanca's error was rather subtle, too.
Yesterday's blunder was one for the record books and will not be forgotten as long as people play chess.
|Nov-28-06|| ||acirce: I for one have never heard about Capablanca-Bain. But yeah, if you are simply saying that people will <know> about ..Qe3??, obviously I won't argue. It will just be considered to be a very insignificant detail in his career.|
|Nov-28-06|| ||Maroczy: In a " Rocky " script Kramnik comes back and wins the next four games; that's what I'd like to see.|
|Nov-28-06|| ||suenteus po 147: I'll be more interested when Fritz blunders.|
|Nov-28-06|| ||Rocafella: <Sp147> Want some coffee, gonna be a long ride!!!!!!|
|Nov-28-06|| ||Sneaky: <it will be considered to be a very insignificant detail in his career.> I can't argue with that--only a fool would say that it's significant, but it will still be well known. The fact that Alekhine had a cat named "Chess" is a very insignificant detail, but everybody knows it. People love trivia and the fact that a World Champion overlooked a mate is one in a doosey.|
What I'm most interested in is seeing how he composes himself for the rest of the match. A lot of people would let something like that weigh on their minds for the upcoming games. It's almost impossible not to. But Kramnik is known for his discipline and rising to the occasion. I for one would love to see Kramnik score a huge victory in an upcoming game.
|Nov-28-06|| ||Sneaky: <I like the ad at the top of the page: "Fritz 10 - only $47.95"> My ad says "Danger Will Robinson! - own a life sized replica of the Lost in Space Robot."|
I think if I had the choice between the two I'd take the "bubble-headed boob" !
|Nov-28-06|| ||Rocafella: Alekhine had a cat names Chess? wow|
|Nov-28-06|| ||RookFile: <cornflake: That's unbelievable. kramnik must go to the rest room to smoke crack. How could he miss that?>|
Kramnik died 5 years ago. That's why we didn't see a lot of him until the Topalov match. What happens is, the new guy isn't even a chessplayer, and doesn't know how the pieces move. He has a radio receiver in his ear that tells him the right move. This was an upgrade from the hidden telephone he used in the toilet against Topalov. Unfortunately, the transmission was a little garbled in his game against Deep Fritz, so he played the move ....Qe3 in the wrong sequence. It was really something when the operator of Deep Fritz had to explain to the body double that he had just been checkmated.
|Nov-28-06|| ||Marmot PFL: I had never heard of that Capa game with Bain either.|
|Nov-28-06|| ||Marmot PFL: Alekhine had two cats. One source said they were named Caissa and Checkmate, another that they were called Rook and d4.|
|Nov-28-06|| ||keypusher: ...and a third that they were named Goebbels and Goering. Oh, sorry, that's Uncle Duke's dobermans.|
|Nov-28-06|| ||Artar1: <RookFile: Kramnik died 5 years ago. That's why we didn't see a lot of him until the Topalov match.>|
Actually Kramnik has a form of rheumatoid arthritis that will limit his playing ability in the future.
|Nov-28-06|| ||Robin01: Maybe Kramnik's first move tomorrow should be to unplug Fritz!:) 1-0|
|Nov-28-06|| ||WannaBe: Got to wake up early for this 6 &^%#$(*!!! AM game...|
|Nov-29-06|| ||NakoSonorense: People should stop making fun of Kramnik. He missed a mate in one, fine. What's the big deal? Just because he's the undisputed World Champion and is regarded as one of the best players ever does not mean that he cannot blunder like a patzer. So, please, stop making fun of him.|
I predict a draw in 37 moves.
|Nov-29-06|| ||Monoceros: <Alekhine had two cats. One source said they were named Caissa and Checkmate, another that they were called Rook and d4.>|
The name for "Chess" seems well attested; I've turned it up in multiple sources. But for the name of the other cat I've encountered no consistent accounts. The only source not online I've found, Kasparov's account of the Euwe-Alekhine 1935 match in his "My Great Predecessors", gives the name "Chess" for the one cat but not "Checkmate" for the other. (I can't remember the name given, however; I don't own the book.)
|Nov-29-06|| ||RookFile: Well, all kidding aside, I'm rooting for Kramnik today. He just needs to play like he did in game 1, only a little better.|
|Nov-29-06|| ||Sneaky: <they were called Rook and d4.> How far-sighted of Alekhine to use algebraic notation some 40 years before it started to become accepted!|
And I have an ancient Roman coin labelled "250 B.C." ;-)
|Nov-29-06|| ||Stevens: <sneaky> aah, the clairvoyant coin! i had an appointment with a clairvoyant once, but she cancelled due to unforseen circumstances.|
|Nov-29-06|| ||technical draw: Does anyone know for sure that the results here are not pre-arranged? (Like the WWF). Has anyone seen a contract? I think basically this is an arrangement between two parties so they can set any rules they want. If anyone knows for sure please give me a link or the info. tks....|
|Nov-29-06|| ||keypusher: Not to be all pedantic, but algebraic was in widespread use outside the Anglosphere in Alekhine's time. See chancho's comments in the link below. |
Capablanca vs Lasker, 1924
If these games are prearranged, all I can say is that game 2 was well below Karpov-Kasparov standards. Allowing mate-in-one is about like having a wrestler knock himself unconscious on the corner pole. Hmmm, actually the wrestler sounds relatively entertaining.
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