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Georgy Daskalov vs Nikola Padevsky
Sofia (1970)
Sicilian Defense: Kan. Modern Variation (B42)  ·  1-0
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Jan-31-07
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  YouRang: Crap. I "solved" it instantly, and was getting all set to explain the virtues of recognizing familiar mating patterns.

In reality, I had flippantly jumped at 32. Qh6 (threatening Qxh7#) and seeing only ...gxh6 33. Rg8#, with no further analysis. It was so pretty, it just *had* to be the solution.

Idiot (me). Good puzzle, though.

Jan-31-07  wals: Of course. Now why didnt I see that.
Jan-31-07  laskereshevsky: <laskereshevsky:>
<I use this " find th winning move " section for training. IF i dont find th solution of the daily's puzzles in about half minute... i resign!!> <<Thrajin: <laskereshevsky>, why resign after only 30 sec?....even if it takes you an hour, your tactical ability will gradually increase. 30 sec is hardly enough time to study a position and calculate variations.>>

Thanks for your kindly advice, YES 30 sec. maybe is not much, ( but i said "about half minute...")after all same " daily puzzles" are so easy.... If i catch the maine line in that time its "self-allowed" same extra sec. for the secondary variants...

But about<even if it takes you an hour, your tactical ability will gradually increase.>..nnnhhhh.... sorry but i dont 100% agree....In several books writed by chess-trainers, its often poInted that "TO FORCE" the brain working its important....

1° In tournament we have alwais limitated time..thats cause we must increase not only in: "find it right"..but too in: " find it right how much FASTER is possib." 2°(last but non least)....we (our brains) are lazy!!!...to increasing is not natural, on the contrary.....I now, maybe thats sounds a little too much " spartan"....but after all, arent we "chess-board warriors" ?!?!

Nice to argue with you..( of course with everyb. too....)

Jan-31-07  Swojchelowek: I'm new to chess, so forgive me if my question seems too stupid. But, I don't see an immediate mate here. 31.Qg6 Nf3+
32.Kh1 Ng5
Now we can't take the knight with the rook, because hxg6 follows and the rook can't go to h5. Neither can the white leave the knight and continue attacking, since h7 is checked. So the only continuation I see is 33.Qxg5.
And then black's
33. ... Qb7
saves the mate. And I don't see a clear mate from there. All black looses is a knight.
Jan-31-07  IMDONE4: a knight is enough to easily win the game with, especially at >2000 lvl
Jan-31-07  Swojchelowek: <IMDONE4 <a knight is enough to easily win the game with, especially at >2000 lvl> I know it' easy to say that it's easily winnable without actually having to win it. But my original comment stated that there isn't a clear mate. That's what the wednesday puzzles were about, weren't they?
Jan-31-07  mckmck: Qg6 .
Jan-31-07  Themofro: Good puzzle. First thing i considered was finding a way for Rxh7# but got nowhere, then looked at Qh6, then found the correct Qg6.
Jan-31-07  Swojchelowek: <mckmck Qg6>
If you were replying to my post, then it's too late for Qg6, since 6'th horizontal line is enforced by black's queen. Black can simply capture the knight with the rook: 34. ... Rxf6
Jan-31-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  playground player: >Swojchelowek< It's still mate. After 33...Ng5, 34.Rh3, h6 35. Rxh6+, gxh6 37. Qg8#
Jan-31-07  vangogh228: Swojchelowek: 33. ... Qb7.

I looked at that, too. Then I realized White has 34. Nxh7. It takes a few moves, but eventually White ends up ahead a Rook and a Knight.

Jan-31-07  vangogh228: playground player: 33...Ng5, 34.Rh3? gxf6. Would you agree?
Jan-31-07  ianD: Lovley suptle move 15 sec.

I would say yesterdays puzzle helped me spot this one quicker than I would have done otherwise.

Thanks Chessgames!

Jan-31-07  Jarlaxle: hmm this might have been said already but wouldnt Qh6 work as well?
Jan-31-07  Delusional Patzer: <jarlaxle> 32... gxf6 refutes it. For some reason I missed this and only considered Rxf6.
Jan-31-07  ALEXIN: Great Sacrifice. Black has a lot of options, each of them comes to the mate !!
Jan-31-07  LaSmitedCrab: lol easy.
Jan-31-07  Fisheremon: <Stonewaller2: Me, I missed it. Might have been easier to find White's 31st, but what's the worst that can happen to Black after 31. ... Kf8 - ?> 32.Nxh7+ Kg8 33.Qh4 threatening next Ng5 ( )

<Swojchelowek: I'm new to chess, so forgive me if my question seems too stupid. But, I don't see an immediate mate here. 31.Qg6 Nf3+ 32.Kh1 Ng5
Now we can't take the knight with the rook, because hxg6 follows and the rook can't go to h5. Neither can the white leave the knight and continue attacking, since h7 is checked. So the only continuation I see is 33.Qxg5. And then black's
33. ... Qb7
saves the mate. And I don't see a clear mate from there. All black looses is a knight.>
<playground player><vangogh228> The numeration should be one move head: 32...Nf3+ 33.Kh1 Ng5 34.Qxg5. Continuation 34...Qc7 was indicated by <jmelton>.

34...Qb7 35.Nxh7:

35...Qe7 36.Qh5 Kg8 37.Ng5 Qf6 38.Qh7+ Kf8 39.Ne6+ Ke7 40.Rg6

35...Qxe4+ 36.Bg2 Qf4 37.Rh3 Qxg5 38.Nxg5+ Kg8 39.Bd5 winning a rook in ending.

The same resistence could be 34...Qa8 35.Bg2 Rdd7 36.Nxd7 Bxd7 37.Rd1 Qf8 In general a quick mate could be with promoting f5-f6 or attack along h-file. Because of that reason I proposed immediate attack with 31.f6 (see my previous poster).

Feb-01-07  Trouble: not a bad problem
Feb-01-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  Thrajin: <Thanks for your kindly advice, YES 30 sec. maybe is not much, ( but i said "about half minute...")after all same " daily puzzles" are so easy.... If i catch the maine line in that time its "self-allowed" same extra sec. for the secondary variants...

But about<even if it takes you an hour, your tactical ability will gradually increase.>..nnnhhhh.... sorry but i dont 100% agree....In several books writed by chess-trainers, its often poInted that "TO FORCE" the brain working its important....

1° In tournament we have alwais limitated time..thats cause we must increase not only in: "find it right"..but too in: " find it right how much FASTER is possib." 2°(last but non least)....we (our brains) are lazy!!!...to increasing is not natural, on the contrary.....I now, maybe thats sounds a little too much " spartan"....but after all, arent we "chess-board warriors" ?!?!

Nice to argue with you..( of course with everyb. too....)>

Hmmm, if you don't get it in that short time, you give up, yet you say looking at the position for over an hour implies laziness. If you give up after 30 seconds (which is half a minute last time I checked), then tell me, what benefit have you gained?

Feb-01-07  laskereshevsky: <Thrajin:> I didnt said "watch a puzzle for over an hour is a lazy behaivour" (is an absolute lawful choice)...i said "the brain is lazy..." cause i use the puzzle like a training.

<If you give up after 30 seconds.....then tell me, what benefit have you gained?> The benefit is: to "force" the mind to work better and faster as is possible,

Cause we (humans) are proudly and touchy; when we oblige our mind "to face" THE FAILURE...we are putting anothr brick on our development.... If you like, try for a while to do it, you will be very surprised how great BOOST will receive your analisys ability...

Feb-01-07  laskereshevsky: <Thrajin:> Allow me to say something more.... Try to observe the develop. of two kind of players..the "SPARTAN" (As I call...) and the "SELF-INDULGENT".

the 1°: play otb always with the clock... never try to get back the move when he realize is a mistake( ELASTIC-MOVE...)alway respect the "piece touched piece to move!" rule's...not too much BLITZ, even if he like-it...etc. etc...

the 2°: play only for fun, often without clock, not rarely said: "K'MON! ITS A FRIENDLY GAME...LET ME TAKE BAKE MY MOVE..NOW I SEE ITS WRONG....WHEN U LIKE U CAN DO THE SAME (!!!)..."

very very often i saw when time goes, the 1°type of player with same hundreds ELO point more then the 2°, and with a better understanding of the game... Of course is not a shame be a low-rated player....but if you like play tournaments for grow ( like me)...is not a big honour either....

No one type of player deserve more respect then another. To everyone its choice....
but if U want to be a more stronger and deeper player....

U MUST BE HARD WITH YOUR-SELF....NO PAIN NO GAIN!!!

Feb-01-07  Ziggurat: <U MUST BE HARD WITH YOUR-SELF....NO PAIN NO GAIN!!!>

Isn't that exactly the opposite of your method, to skip the difficult problems after half a minute?

Feb-01-07  laskereshevsky: Ziggurat: <U MUST BE HARD WITH YOUR-SELF....NO PAIN NO GAIN!!!> Isn't that exactly the opposite of your method, to skip the difficult problems after half a minute?

no, i dont think.....Cause i dont skip up, but i force my mind to try to solve that in a limitated time... how i wrote in the previsious post... <Thrajin:> <If you give up after 30 seconds.....then tell me, what benefit have you gained>

<laskereshevsky> <<The benefit is: to "force" the mind to work better and faster as is possible,

Cause we (humans) are proudly and touchy; when we oblige our mind "to face" THE FAILURE...we are putting anothr brick on our development.... If you like, try for a while to do it, you will be very surprised how great BOOST will receive your analisys ability...>>

P.S.: I said "about" half minute....dont EXACTLY 30 seconds.....

Mar-30-07  gambitfan: le mat du couloir !
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