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|Feb-07-05|| ||Shadow 812: Unusual opening play from Fischer, it nothing like his normal style, I think it looks more like an opening that Tigran Petrosian would play rather than
It seems to widely accepted that 14. Kh8? is weak and that Qg6 was better, also worth a mentioning on moves 22 and
23 Qg8 is a more stubborn defence:
|Feb-07-05|| ||euripides: Fischer's set up is basically a reversed Scheveningen Sicilian. The arangement of Black's pieces here, however, is very unlike White's normal setup in that opening and looks a bit dubious. It's also hard to play with such an unusual setup as one is then unfamiliar with the tactical tricks that the position gives rise to. |
|Feb-07-05|| ||CeeFoR: I like this opening, uncommon. |
|Mar-01-05|| ||Honza Cervenka: The reason of 14...Kh8 was to prepare the advance of f-Pawn. Maybe it was not the best move but it certainly did not lose the game. 22...Nb5 was a blunder although the position was not easy for black. 22...Bxe4 23.Qxe4 Qxb3 is very complex but probably somewhat better for white. |
|May-02-05|| ||Pawn Ambush: This opening turns into a Najdorf in reverse look at the positon after 15. b4.|
|Aug-05-05|| ||LondonSystem: The opening is a 'Compressed Spring'variation from the Larsen-Simagin Opening or the Nimzovitch-Larsen attack.|
|Aug-05-07|| ||notyetagm: <euripides: Fischer's set up is basically a reversed Scheveningen Sicilian. The arangement of Black's pieces here, however, is very unlike White's normal setup in that opening and looks a bit dubious. It's also hard to play with such an unusual setup as one is then unfamiliar with the tactical tricks that the position gives rise to.>|
Not only the tactical tricks but also the correct <STRATEGY>. Like you said, in this game Black is essentially playing the White side of a Sicilian Scheveningen with his pieces incorrectly placed to carry out the typical manuvers/plans that White usually does against Black's (which in this game is White's) Schevenigen setup.
|Aug-05-07|| ||notyetagm: CONT'D
That is, how does White usually attack the Black Sicilian Schveningen? He does X, Y, and Z. Well here Black cannot play the standard X, Y, and Z plans against the White Sicilian Schveningen because his pieces do not correspond to the locations that they would be on the White side where plans X, Y, and Z are possible.
|Dec-22-07|| ||chancho: Tukmakov must have felt like a rookie after the way Fischer tore into him in this game.|
|Jan-29-08|| ||teak poker: Wow, Six of White's first seven moves were pawn moves! Is this a good example? Only for Fischer.|
|Jan-29-08|| ||EdwardChisam: Restrained openings like this invite black to overtend his pawns or make positional concessions. |
With 6... d5, black trades a center pawn for a wing pawn, which is ok when the colors are reversed and you're doing the attacking.
I feel black may have done better with a setup such as 6.... d6, although I'm sure Fischer would have outplayed Tukmakov from this point forward in any event.
|Aug-30-08|| ||jerseybob: tpstar, in his 4-17-04 post, speculates that Fischer was "sending a message to Larsen". I'd say the message was for the chess world as a whole, namely that his approach had broadened tremendously from the days when he only played 1.e4 and that he was going to be an even more dangerous opponent.|
|Jan-17-09|| ||Eyal: <euripides: Fischer's set up is basically a reversed Scheveningen Sicilian> Good observation - and just as the d5 break is thematic in the Sicilian, it's the d4 break which clearly tilts the game in favor of White here. |
<Honza Cervenka: 22...Nb5 was a blunder although the position was not easy for black. 22...Bxe4 23.Qxe4 Qxb3 is very complex but probably somewhat better for white.>
According to Kasparov's analysis in OMGP it's pretty much winning: 22...Bxe4 23.Qxe4 Qxb3 24.Bd3 Nf6 25.Qg6! Qxa4 (25...e4 26.Bc2 Qe6 27.Re1; 25...exd4 26.Bc2 followed by 27.Bf5) 26.dxe5 Rxd3 (26...Qe8 27.Qf5) 27.Rxd3 Ng8 (27...Qe8 28.Qf5 Ng8 29.Rd7; 27...Ne8 28.Qf7) 28.Rd7!! and the threat of e6 is decisive (if 28.e6 immediately then 28...Bf6 holds) - 28...Qb3 29.Rc2.
|Jan-17-09|| ||Eyal: ...Though possibly Black can improve in one of the above lines with 25...e4 26.Bc2 <Qg8> 27.Bxe4 Nxe4 28.Qxe4 Bg5.|
|Apr-27-11|| ||AlbertoDominguez: @WeakSquare who compiled the list of Fischer games, I don't have exact dates for every round, but the Buenos Aires tournament ran from July 19 to August 15.|
|Apr-27-11|| ||fab4: looking at the position after Fischer's 20.Nb3 Black's rooks should be on e8 and f8.. 20... b6 is a mistake after 21.d4. |
19..Na7 also looks suspect. Tukmakov missing the thread and rhythm of the game.
|Jun-09-11|| ||DrMAL: Another favorite Nimzo-Larsen game, with white achieving a reversed Sheveningen setup with extra move and, black with choice of choice of 7...Qxd5 over 7...Nxd5 looks at first akin to a Qd6 Scandanavian. Personally, I prefer 7...Nxd5 then probably Qe8 and f5 with maybe Bf6, Be6 and Rd8 like a reversed Sicilian. Perhaps 13...a5 was better than 13...Nd7 and 14...Kh8 seems to waste time. I think white was anticipating black's a5 in moving 11.Rd8 so after 16...a6 white played 17.Rc1 to adjust. But now 18...f5 seems inconsistent and 19...Na7 and 20...b6 lose more time. Black's minor pieces now lack coordination while white's are ready to pounce.|
Continued maneuvering with 22.Nb5 was the first mistake, probably best was to simplify with 22...Bxe4 to exchange bishop for knight, exchange queens, then play Bd6 for pawn exchange on e5. After 23.Bg4 black tries to keep his pawn on e5 with 23...Qf6 instead of 23...Qg8 and in retaking 24...Nxe5 pins his own knight while exposing his rook on c8. But with 26.Rd5 black loses a knight as well.
|Jun-09-11|| ||kingfu: Fischer was 4 wins and one draw with the 1.b3 opening. Rather than a flank opening, it was more like a reversed Sicilian. Fischer was very good in the Sicilian.|
|Jun-09-11|| ||DrMAL: Yes someone actually drew Fisher during a simultaneous exhibition, not in a tournament. And yes Fischer was very good at any chess opening including the Sicilian. Here he was in fact showing his peers that he is not at all limited to his favorite e4.|
The fact that Fisher (or others) can build this flank opening into a reversed Sicilian or something else familiar credits the opening. The Nimzo-Larsen allows for a lot of variations and transpositions.
|Jun-10-11|| ||kingfu: The Un Imaginable:
You play The Fischer Monster in a simul and he plays 1.b3 instead of e4.
Now what? You are Edwin Peinado and you get a draw!
|Jun-10-11|| ||kingfu: Master Peinado has exactly one game in ChessGames.
And it is a draw with Bobby Fischer!
Gracias, Senior Peinado!
|Jun-10-11|| ||DrMAL: Fischer had been winning in that game too, but I think he had to go to the bathroom really badly on moves 23 and 24, then on move 27 realized he had not washed his hands and it bothered him more and more LOL.|
After the huge blunder 30.Nc7 (I had to quadruple check this!) apparently Peinado did not realize he was now totally winning!
|May-08-17|| ||Mithrain: No idea Fischer had ever played this kind of position. Nevertheless, really instructive how White achieves a better coordination. |
In Kasparov's book, he mentions that this "compressed string" strategy had already been played succesfully as for instance this Reti's game: Reti vs Yates, 1924
|May-08-17|| ||keypusher: < Mithrain: No idea Fischer had ever played this kind of position. Nevertheless, really instructive how White achieves a better coordination.
In Kasparov's book, he mentions that this "compressed string" strategy had already been played succesfully as for instance this Reti's game: Reti vs Yates, 1924>|
J G Soruco vs Fischer, 1966
|May-11-17|| ||Mithrain: <keypusher> Thank you! The game you mentioned was the first time that Fischer used that idea, right? Another great game which is based on the same position is Fischer vs Ulf Andersson, 1970 Moreover, in this game Fischer used the same idea (the g-file) as the game you mentioned before.|
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