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|Dec-26-06|| ||SniperOnG7: Oh yeah, the reason why i showed this game is because it uses the same idea of Bg5 paired with Rc1.|
|Dec-26-06|| ||Steppenwolf: You people really love to copy and paste. I wish they would remove that button from your computers. Kids with guns.|
|Dec-26-06|| ||Shajmaty: <slomarko: 33.Rgg7 also wins> 33. Rgg7?? e3+! and DRAW.|
|Dec-26-06|| ||OneArmedScissor: <Steppenwolf>
Take your asinine comments else where.
|Dec-26-06|| ||Shajmaty: <Oprenovic: i am really not sure about the "outplaying"... seems to me more like a matter of one blunder and precise punishment (29...Nd7)> The error came long before 29...Nd7. Neither 29...Na4 nor 29...Bd7 are enough for Black to equalize. Interesting was 17...Bxg3!? instead of 17...Qc6, with twoKnights and a Bishopfor the Queen.|
|Dec-26-06|| ||Shajmaty: <Kangaroo: Can someone explain why <11. d5 e6> was played?
Over 30 years ago I saw the <theoretical recommendation: <11. d5 Bxc3+ 12. Rxc3 Qxd5 13. Qxd5 Nxd5 14. Rxc5> with the evaluation <=>, that is equal chances.>> After 14. Rxc5, White's position is easier to handle, due to the Bishop pair and absence of weaknesses. Expected was 12. dxe6, Qxd1; 13. Rxd1, Bxe6; 14. e3, N8d7; 15. Bb5 where Black is O.K. I believe 12. d6! was a shock for Shirov.|
|Dec-26-06|| ||SniperOnG7: It is my guess that many of Moro's moves took Shirov by surprise and he mayb didnt even consider them. Thus even though Shirov may have some equalizing opportunities, he probably had long lost the game by being psychologically outplayed. Just my further 2c :)|
|Dec-26-06|| ||Kangaroo: <<SniperOnG7>: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5.e4 Nxc3 6.bxc3 Bg7 7.Bg5!?>|
There is a minor difference in the moves:
<1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6. Bd2 0-0 7. Rc1 Nb6 8. Bg5!?> and this is precisely the same position that first occurred in one of the training games between Bronstein and Korchnoi.
The move <7. Bg5> was then considered as the innovation proposed by Bronstein. Korchnoi managed to hold the position.
|Dec-26-06|| ||Kangaroo: <Shajmaty: <After <14. Rxc5>, White's position is easier to handle, due to the Bishop pair and absence of weaknesses. Expected was 12. dxe6, Qxd1; 13. Rxd1, Bxe6; 14. e3, N8d7; 15. Bb5 where Black is O.K. I believe 12. d6! was a shock for Shirov.>> |
Consider these theoretical recommendations, all being about 30 years old.
<(1) <11. d5 Bxc3+ 12. Rxc3 Qxd5 13. Qxd5 Nxd5 14. Rxc5>>
<(2) <11 dxc5 Bxc3+ 13. Rxc3 Qxd1+ 14. Kxd1 Na4>> or
<(3) <11. dxc5 Bxc3+ 13. bxc3 Qxd1+ 14. Rxd1 Na4>>
In all cases, Black can hold the position, despite the two bishops in the hands of White. The queens left the board and the attack of White does not seem to be so dangerous. The explanation is that Black pieces can act more dinamically, alas this is the perception, rather than the analysis.
|Dec-27-06|| ||slomarko: <Shajmaty: <slomarko: 33.Rgg7 also wins> 33. Rgg7?? e3+! and DRAW.> where is the draw after 34.Kg3?|
|Dec-27-06|| ||Shajmaty: <Kangaroo: [...] Consider these theoretical recommendations, all being about 30 years old. [...] In all cases, Black can hold the position, despite the two bishops in the hands of White. The queens left the board and the attack of White does not seem to be so dangerous. The explanation is that Black pieces can act more dinamically, alas this is the perception, rather than the analysis.>|
It's not only about attack, it's about a better ending... but, yeah, this is also just my particular point of view.
|Dec-27-06|| ||Shajmaty: <slomarko: <Shajmaty: <slomarko: 33.Rgg7 also wins> 33. Rgg7?? e3+! and DRAW.> where is the draw after 34.Kg3?>
34. Kg3, Qb1! preventing Rh7+ and threatening Qg1+ (and Qc2+ if Kh2/Kg2). Draw, right?|
|Dec-27-06|| ||slomarko: yes you are right i've missed Qb1|
|Dec-27-06|| ||plang: One of the things that I love about Morozovich is his choice of "non fashionable openings". Another example in round 4 is Bauer - Morozovich 1 d4..d5 2 Bf4..Bg4!?. I doubt that this move has been played often if at all.|
|Dec-27-06|| ||Shajmaty: <plang: [...] Another example in round 4 is Bauer - Morozovich 1 d4..d5 2 Bf4..Bg4!?. I doubt that this move has been played often if at all.> No less than 12 games in my database, three with Slobodan Kovacevic on the White side (with 3. c3): Shabalov 1991, Boudre 1992 and Chevallier 1993. The closest to the game, Serrano - Bondick, Canary Islands (blitz) 2004: 4...Nf6 instead of 4...e6.|
|Dec-27-06|| ||Steppenwolf: OneArmSissy, thanks for the welcoming words. SitterOnG7 just abused copy and paste, nothing to freak about.|
|Dec-27-06|| ||malthrope: <Steppenwolf: [...] SitterOnG7 just abused copy and paste, nothing to freak about.>|
Well, I for one had no problem with what <SitterOnG7> had to say (added in 'copy & paste' and otherwise). It was informative, to the point, and added to the overall history of the opening and this game played between Moro & Shirov! ;-) Just my 2cents... - Mal
|Dec-27-06|| ||Karpova: <SniperOnG7> thanks for those informative posts! Are you going to submit the game to <chessgames.com>? It's not in the database yet.|
|Dec-31-06|| ||SniperOnG7: <mal> Thanks for looking on the positive side...the world chronically needs to have less pessimists and more people like you.
<Karpova> No problem :) the credit goes to Mr. Martin though.|
*Sigh* Did the sole member on my Ignore List lash out at me? Ugh <Steppenwolf> how could you? I have already given you the most highly honorary position available from me since last year and this is how you repay me?? ;)
LOL <SitterOnG7>...soooo original...tut tut...if it was up to me man, i woulda thought of <S***terOnG7> (i mean you already have made the effort to type out such a long word why not just add an extra "h"?) But i guess no matter how my onlinehandle becomes in the end, all it shows is how much everyone appreciates a well-fianchetooed bishop. Btw <Steppenwolf> if you concedes that my creativity in changing names is much higher than yours (you know it is :D) feel free to call me with that extra 'h' but if you get kicked off don't come and cry to me.
However on a more serious tone, i apologize for my lengthy and awkwardly arranged posts above. Originally I merely wanted to post the game (due to it not being in the database as <Karpova> observed) but i felt that Mr. Martin had made a good job so i felt it was right sharing it with everyone. So i ended up with one long post but nicely organized. However during the process of making them fit in the size limit of each post they got slightly mucked up.
Anyway, enough of me babbling up and taking more space. I'll go and submit that game now... :S (i have never done this before)
|Dec-31-06|| ||SniperOnG7: ROTFLOL. My curiosity got the better of me and i decided to take a peek at what <Steppenwolf> had wanted so desperately to say to me. I just realized that <OneArmedScissor> was also being a good shepherd defending me from the wolf. |
Ok. Im sorry <Steppenwolf>. Neeexxt time il STOP using Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V. Il use my mouse, go to edit and do it the long way. Feel merrier now? :)
As for <"kids with guns"> i feel obligued to take this opportunity to state that the Coalitian soliders in Iraq and Afganistan are often indeed that. They are good kids though who have sacrificed their lifestyles/lives. Spare a thought for them this new year.
|Dec-31-06|| ||malthrope: <SniperOnG7: <mal> Thanks for looking on the positive side...the world chronically needs to have less pessimists and more people like you.>|
No problem! :-)
It was really nice to see the linage of this opening... A tough battle ensued with Moro creating one problem after another which he does so very well! Then after <WildBill> posted the first comp analysis (while some of also waited for GM analysis) it was all good to add to this fighting chess game!
So, to all that made comments of interest to the beauty of this chess battle I say - Job well done! :-) - Mal
PS: Hope the 'upload' goes smooth... [grin] And, a 'Happy New Year' to everyone! ;-)
|Dec-31-06|| ||cornflake: Shirov's 14...Qxd6?! looked pretty provocative. taking the d pawn like that can't be a good idea.|
|Jan-22-07|| ||OneArmedScissor: <SteppenWolf>
I didn't know you were the authority watching over the abuse of copy and paste.
|May-20-07|| ||Chess Carnival: Wow! How crazy a game between these two can get..|
|May-16-08|| ||sallom89: nice game by "Moro the great" as <microdot> call him haha.|
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