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| Feb-07-07 |
| Brown: <farrooj
<drbwchess: 31. Rf1+ is more precise than 31. Bxb2. After 31. Bxb2 Rxb2 White cannot save a2 with Bc4 because of Rb1+ loosing Rg1. Instead 31. Rf1+ Ke7 32. Bxb2 Rxb2 33. Bc4 saves a2 as well as Rf1!>> |
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Feb-07-07
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| ahmadov: <farrooj: What is the point in 31.Rf1+ ?> Just torturing the opponent ;) |
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Feb-07-07
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| micartouse: I got the whole thing, although it took me about 15 or 20 minutes. I was losing a lot of time analyzing false leads. I finally found 26. Bd8+ just in order to keep the bishop and close the net. After that, it all clicked. Okay, I didn't notice 31. Rf1+!, so I can't take full credit but I got the major part. Sadly, I probably wouldn't have seen 31. Rf1+! even OTB with an hour of time to think because it's one of those zwischenzugs that are easy to overlook. By omitting this move, the endgame is made vastly more tedious for White to win. |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| zb2cr: I was careless--after the Queen sac, I thought 26. Bh6+ was the move, since Black can't take without getting mated by Rh3#. After 26. ... Kf6; 27. Bg7+. However the simple 26. ... Kf7 removes the danger. |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| Silverstrike: I found the most of the lines, but I too missed 31.Rf1+. |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| MikeChesss: What about 25Bh6? How does black get out of it?
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| Feb-07-07 |
| nuwanda: Why all this rubbish about 31.Rf1 ? Certainly not a bad move, but by no means necessary. First, it can be played very well one move later, after capturing the queen, if you like, this is very easy to see Second, as <patzer2> pointed out, 31.Rg7 is for sure at least as strong as 31.Rf1 And third, if you dont see all this, the position after 31.Bxb2 Rxb2 is really a easy win, say e.g. 32.Rg4 and what should black do ? He has one pawn for the piece, all pawns weak ... |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| Soltari: <drbwchess: 31. Rf1+ is more precise than 31. Bxb2. After 31. Bxb2 Rxb2 White cannot save a2 with Bc4 because of Rb1+ loosing Rg1. Instead 31. Rf1+ Ke7 32. Bxb2 Rxb2 33. Bc4 saves a2 as well as Rf1!> What about 31.Bxb2 Rxb2 32.Rf1+ ? I see no difference in switching these moves. |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| VinnyRoo2002: What's wrong with 25. Bc1? |
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Feb-07-07
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| Max of Tat: VinnyRoo2002: Qxc2 followed by Qxe2 would be hard to stop. - Enrique |
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Feb-07-07
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| kevin86: <VinnyRoo2002> 25  c1?? is an horrible blunder-it sucuumbs to 25... xc2+ 26  e1 xe2#I didn't answer this one-it looks like a weekend puzzle. I liked the delayed action windmill-and the gobbling up of knight and queen along the long diagonal. |
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Feb-07-07
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| micartouse: Windmills are a weird tactic. You can always see them coming from a mile away, but you sometimes succumb anyway since it's hard to know what form they'll take. |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| Sololoy: I agree with Solitari: there is no difference switching moves 31 and 32 (Rf1+). The objective is to protect the rock in order to be able to take the a6 pawn; but I'd rather get the h7 pawn (31. Rg7+) in order to free the h column for my own pawn first. |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| HoopDreams: found Qxg7 and Bd8+ in a couple seconds |
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Feb-07-07
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| fm avari viraf: When there are so many pieces lined up for attack, there has to be a sac & Qxg7+ looks more obvious & again the discovered + brings the curtain down. |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| johnsbrother: After about 2 minutes I couldn't find the right spot for the bishop on move 2. Nice puzzle...a little harder than most Wednesdays, but I guess Chessgames is getting some retribution for two Monday puzzles in a row! |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| Russian: What do you think about 25. Bf6 |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| Themofro: Saw the queen sac immediatley that much was easy, but played Bh6+ instead of Bd8+!. Nice windmill. |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| Stonewaller2: <MikeChesss, Russian> trouble is that,as <kevin86> pointed out, Black has ... xc2+ and ... xe2# coming. So 25. f6 just loses, while on 25. xg7+ xg7 26. h6+ instead of walking into the mate with 26. ... xh6? 27.  h3# or the windmill with 26. ... h8? 27. g7+ Black just walks away with 26. ... f7 and wins the minute White fails to give check.One point to note (read: that I missed) is that White starts, and after the text ends, a piece up. |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| wharfrat: Preserving the a-pawn is more important than the immediate capture of the Black h-pawn. First of all, it will be very difficult for Black to save the h-pawn after the game continuation without exchanging rooks, so White can have his cake and eat it too. Secondly, the “exchange” of the h-pawn for the a-pawn would allow Black the possibilities of counterplay involving the a-pawn and playing for an ending in which White is left with its bishop and the h-pawn, the infamous “Impotent Pair.” The text move eliminates the first idea and substantially reduces the possibility of the second. While both continuations are winning for White, you should always select the simplest way, which is usually the one with the least amount of counterplay for the defender. Having said all of that, I don’t think the nuance with 31.Rf1+ has anything to do with the solution to the puzzle. |
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Feb-07-07
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| dzechiel: <wharfrat> The rook check on f1 needs to be played before defending the a-pawn to prevent ...Rb1+ from picking up the white rook. However, that check can be played at any time (even at the end of) in the combination. |
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Feb-07-07
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| egilarne: Having seen this before, it was a pleasure to re-find the variations of this position.
It is a position in Blocks CT-Art 3.0, very good CD for training tactics. |
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| Feb-07-07 |
| Marco65: <patzer2> After 24...Ne5 also 25.Bf6 seems to leave Black only the perpetual, doesn't it? And I'm not sure if he succeeds in that: 24...Ne5 25.Bf6 Qb1+ 26.Kd2 Qb4+ 27.c3 Qb2+ 28.Ke1 Qc1+ 29.Bd1 |
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| Feb-08-07 |
| Brown: <egilarne: Having seen this before, it was a pleasure to re-find the variations of this position. It is a position in Blocks CT-Art 3.0, very good CD for training tactics>. This disk doesn't work on the Mac platform. Does anyone know of one that does? |
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| Jul-04-09 |
| backrank: From move 20 or so, the 'wild' position seems to stem from a 19th century game ... the finish likewise. The final combination is amazing. The beauty does not lie in the almost obvious queen sac, but in the far-from-obvious move 26. d8!! with the truly stunning mate after 26. ... f7? 27. h5# !, a second mate after 26. ... h6? 27. h3#, the further rook sac 26. ... h8 27. g8+! creating the typical windmill, regaining material with interest, and the final nicety f1+, protecting the rook by the bishop against a possible later b1+ by black. What more can we want for? White ends a bishop up, however it is indispensable keeping as many pawns as possible on the board, for without pawns, the ending rook+bishop vs. rook is kind of drawish. |
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