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|Sep-10-07|| ||bravado1: Why did Kogan continue after losing the knight. Wasn't it enough? And then another knight.
It either was a blitz or Kogan must have been drunk.|
|Sep-10-07|| ||mkrk17: e4 and the black knight is screwed.|
|Sep-10-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <TheaN: 39.e4 Kf7? (Nf3 and at least Black has one Knight for counterplay)> Minor comment: not much counterplay after 40.exd5 cxd5 41.Bd1 and now either exchange it on e5 or hide on g1/h2 for a while until white K collects it.|
<40.exd5 cxd5 (Nf3 still saves the Knight, now with less counterplay after dxc6)>
After dxc6, the pawn is unstoppable, as far as I can tell, so saving the N is not a big compensation.
Overall, however, black should've resigned after 39.e4, indeed.
|Sep-10-07|| ||Tactic101: e4 finit! Took me a bit longer than usual, though.|
|Sep-10-07|| ||MikeB20: Lol
This game is very funny.
After, 39. e4, Black, in shock after losing a Knight, in a fit of pique, plays 42...Nh3 and proceeds to lose the other one.
|Sep-10-07|| ||TheaN: <MAJ: and now either exchange it on e5>|
Admit that this is better than losing the Knight or having him somewhere so passive that White is up a Bishop pair for two pawns at most >_>. But indeed, Ne5 with the exchange is forced so no counterplay, only the best line.
|Sep-10-07|| ||TheaN: If you can specify 'best' with a piece down anyway...|
|Sep-10-07|| ||greensfield: 39.e4 is obvious! I think Bb3 or Bd1 is also winning|
|Sep-10-07|| ||thorndeux: I think it was a good puzzle. Quite a few people missed it and generally trapped pieces are often harder to spot than more subtle tactics.|
|Sep-10-07|| ||znprdx: Not only should one "look before you leap" but also look to 'where' you [can] leap. Why pin when you can win?...won[ce] a knight -is not enough. Who knew there was such comedy in Chess? Were they both in time pressure at move 38.? White's Kd3 looks more like a desperate attempt to escape than a planned trap but when Black obliges with the incredulus unforced error f6, it is as if he was under hypnosis - something I have often suspected somehow plays a part subconsciously in OTB Chess.|
|Sep-10-07|| ||giovanygc: I think 38. ... f6 was the losing move. But what do you think black should have done?|
|Sep-10-07|| ||gus inn: verry good Chessgames .Com ! this is almost purely psycological.Players expect something ells - and suddenly it appears difficult - which in fact it is not !
Back in the 50és a test was made.Two foot ballteams were intructed (before the game).The first to play fair.The other team NOT to play fair.Afterwards the fans of both temas were of the oppinion that : THEIR team has played the most fair !!! Quite scarry IMO .|
|Sep-10-07|| ||realbrob: Maybe this was too stupid even for a Monday, and it was the main difficulty of the puzzle. I was stunned when I realised that the knight was trapped and the only thing you had to do was attacking it with a pawn.|
Come on guys, you can't win a piece like that in a puzzle... Let's give us some old, good mate in 2...
|Sep-10-07|| ||Wolfgang01: syracrophy: The worst monday comment i've ever read. Because there's not your expected sacrifice or mate in 2 it does have his own difficulty. I had 2 look 2 times to see the trapped knight. And the rest of the game is done …|
|Sep-10-07|| ||Fezzik: This is NOT a 1 star puzzle.
Even GM Kogan didn't resign after dropping the piece. Yes, the answer was fairly straight-forward, but resulting position was not so dominating that a beginner could win it 90% of the time against a GM.
I have (embarrasingly) been down five pawns in a R+P ending against a tournament player only to win the game. I know a master who lost a Queen-up (no compensation whatsoever) game against Larry Christiansen. Technically winning positions are great, but they still have to be won!
I don't mind the puzzle per se, just not as a Monday puzzle.
|Sep-10-07|| ||not yet a patzer: Like many of you, I expected to find a sac/mate combo of some kind, but just could not find it. Then I remembered that sometimes we are just looking for a clear material advantage. I quickly noticed that the knight in the center could not move and that there was a pawn in position to attack him. I considered no more, assuming that black would have the good sense to resign.|
|Sep-10-07|| ||Marmot PFL: Almost too easy even for Monday. Black was so worried about the Ng1 he forgot the other one could also be trapped. With no way to extricate the Ng1 he was almost certainly lost anyway.|
|Sep-10-07|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <notyetagm: *** I spent most of my time solving this puzzle figuring out -which- knight to trap! :-)>|
I also spent a couple of minutes trying to find the most efficient way to trap the "dim on the rim" g1-Knight, but all those lines just seemed like "too many moves" for a Monday puzzle. Finally I noticed that after 39. e4, the "ideally centralized" d5-Knight would be under attack and bereft of any safe retreat.
|Sep-10-07|| ||Marmot PFL: BTW Savchenko could have won material earlier with 27.b4 Qb5 28.Rxd8 Rxd8 29.a4 Qa6 (Qd5 Rd1 )30.Bd3|
|Sep-10-07|| ||Marmot PFL: <Fezzik> The rating of the puzzle is based on the difficulty of finding the solution, not whether (for whatever reason) a player chose not to resign a lost position, so I am not sure what point you are trying to make.|
|Sep-10-07|| ||pagliacci19: queen sacrifice, as usual....|
|Sep-10-07|| ||MaxxLange: Some of you people should try looking at the position instead of looking at what day of the week it is|
|Sep-10-07|| ||a30seclegend: <greensfield> I think any move other than 39.e4 and black plays f5 which is still probally losing but a little more difficult.|
|Sep-10-07|| ||YouRang: Ha! I actually spent a bit of time on this. I appreciate having different types of puzzles, particularly on Monday. It develops different skills.|
Today's puzzle involved the skill of recognizing a trapped piece. Once you see it, the answer is trivial.
Actually, I started off thinking it was a 'trap a piece' puzzle, but I was thinking of trapping the other knight on g1, which also appeared to have a grim future.
|Sep-10-07|| ||twin phoenix: wow if a GM can play 38.--,f6?? maybe i'm not such an idiot!!! easy to get complacent and not look ahead.|
from a tournament players point of view I wouldn't resign either after loss of knight. i have salvaged so many points and half points in positions like this that i just will not resign until i see mate in one....
sometimes i continue playing just because i'm so irritated by my blunder i just want to get some more moves in. however, against a GM the game is over but i also would make my opponent earn the point. it may seem rude but hey it's kinda rude for someone to beat me!!! in class 'B' and below one should never resign if you're only down a piece. believe me i've won too many games i should've lost! (and yes lost too many games i should have won...)
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