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|Mar-20-07|| ||tatarch: This would also be a good weekend puzzle at move 34 or 35 for white--I'm sure I wouldn't get it.|
|Mar-20-07|| ||Quad Fifties: ever hear of the Czech mate? its very common..|
|Mar-20-07|| ||WBP: mate for life?|
|Mar-20-07|| ||zb2cr: Saw the puzzle in roughly 20 seconds. Quick and easy Queen sacrifice to deflect the guarding Rook.|
I think all the named mating patterns I have heard of have been mentioned already.
|Mar-20-07|| ||Marvol: <dzechiel: I think Pure Mate and Model Mate are the same thing,>|
They're not, actually. In a model mate (a subform of pure mate), all attacking pieces participate in the mate.
|Mar-20-07|| ||Stonewaller2: It would be more fun, and a lot harder, to look at this one from White's 34th, when he moves the first ♘ en prise in order to open up lines of attack.|
|Mar-20-07|| ||realbrob: I agree, 37.Qxe5 is just too easy.. One might think what a silly combination Black missed, while it was almost forced after some very difficult moves by White.|
|Mar-20-07|| ||kevin86: White sacs his queen to set up a two rook mate-at f7 and f8.|
Note,in an earlier situation-white repeats a situation that exisated yesterday:deliver a checkmate while under threat of one. 36...♘xf7 37 ♘f6+ ♔h8 (or g7) 38 ♘xe8+ ♔g8(or h7) 39 ♕g7#. If black had an extra move,he would play ♕g2#
|Mar-20-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <realbrob: I agree, 37.Qxe5 is just too easy.. One might think what a silly combination Black missed, while it was almost forced after some very difficult moves by White.>|
I completely disagree about "difficult" and need to repeat myself. Black made very bad, unforced moves. 35 ... fxg4 has opened a file for white rooks in a situation where black's two back ranks are weak. 36 ... Kh8 was an unmitigated disaster.
Continuing the repetition, I suspect both players were in time trouble (white missed a forcing mate starting one move earlier, 36. Qxe5).
|Mar-20-07|| ||YouRang: Well, it wasn't hard to see where the attack was going. Black's king was in serious trouble. It was more a question of move order. |
I spent a few seconds considering 37. Rf8+ to deflect the rook allowing 38. Qxe5+, but I didn't how to make the attack materialize.
Then I tried deflecting the rook the other way with 37. Qxe5+, and the 2-rook-mate (if black recaptures) became obvious.
|Mar-20-07|| ||realbrob: Well, I must agree with MostlyAverageJoe about 35..fxg4, Black could've played 35..Nxg4. But talking about 36..Kh8 Black has 3 legal moves.
1)36..Kh8, which he played
2)36..Nxf7? 37.Rxf7+ Kg8 38.Qg7#
3)36..Kg8 37.Qxe5 and now if 37..Rxe5 38.Rf8+ Kg7 39.Rf7#, and if 37..Rh7 White is up material and is going to win some more with a knight fork.
|Mar-20-07|| ||greensfield: Sac the Queen to move the Rook of the back rank for a straight forward mate by the Rooks.|
|Mar-20-07|| ||MostlyAverageJoe: <realbrob: But talking about 36..Kh8 ...>|
I should've mentioned that if my guess about running out of time is correct, then the last line you mention gives the black some breathing time (the mate is not immediately forced) to maybe get white's flag to drop first. Isn't Kg8 the natural move to play, anyway?
|Mar-20-07|| ||nimzo knight: Lot of people have given links to famous mating patterns. Its very interesting.
But more interesting will be a collection of attacking patterns. For instance these dont cover greek gift, double bishop sac, attacking king side king with fianchetto bishop etc.
Anybody of who can point good resources regarding this.|
|Mar-20-07|| ||playground player: For once I really did solve it instantly--must be getting smarter.|
|Mar-20-07|| ||MiCrooks: Surprised not much talk of Black stumbling into this. I found it very surprising as he HAD to have seen the idea to decide NOT to take the Knight in the first place after 34. Ne4. Then next move he walks right into it with the other Knight!|
After Ng4 is Rxg4 White's best move? Can Black defend?
|Mar-20-07|| ||TrueBlue: new rules!
You can only checkmate someone if you know the name of the mate.
|Mar-20-07|| ||jperr75108: Nice mate. I like that name. Maybe sac the queen for a knight mate. Theres a winner. Anyway nice game and puzzle.|
|Mar-20-07|| ||aazqua: THis one was painfully obvious. I like the game itself; the actual mate was a little bit of a snooker as I'm sur black was more worried about the knights then a q-sac.|
|Mar-20-07|| ||Fezzik: I agree with aazqua that this was painfully obvious. There is very little to be learned from this mate, as most people who log on here either know the position type or can figure it out VERY quickly.|
The position is so boring that most of the comments have been about naming checkmates. What a shame, even for a Tuesday.
|Mar-20-07|| ||Dr.Lecter: Is there a name for mates that look like this?
click for larger view
Or with the bishop anywhere on this diagonal?
|Mar-21-07|| ||BishopofBlunder: Solved this one very quickly, even for a Tuesday. Mostly luck though, as 37.Qxe5+ was the first move I analysed (or analyzed, even).|
|Mar-21-07|| ||realbrob: <MiCrooks: After Ng4 is Rxg4 White's best move? Can Black defend?>|
I analysed it a little bit yesterday and yes, he can. It seems White should play Rxg4 or he's down a knight, then Black moves his e8 rook out of the way to avoid the knight fork on f6 and the game is even, more or less.
|Mar-30-07|| ||gambitfan: encore la thématique du mat du couloir!!|
|Jul-18-08|| ||Onizuka: Nice game by GM Hmadouchi.
I am a little desapointed because I want to learn interesting ways of attacking the black king in the king's indian, but it is a lttle bit too long and to complicated.
I usually try to exchange my bishop against the black bishop on g7 but it leads to nothing.
His this structure so solid?
Are there no efficient and rapid method to attack the enemy king when black uses such a defense?
Illustrative games will be welcome.
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