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|Jan-14-07|| ||jedrus07: 16... Qxc3- maybe he was afraid of 17. Rc1 and then d5 by white with dangerous attack?|
12... Qxb2-why not? Have no idea so far :)
|Jan-14-07|| ||Ron: Well, it seem that in this case pawn grabbing by 12.. Qxb2 would have been better for black.|
|Jan-14-07|| ||dehanne: The thing is, after Qxb2 white needs to defend the knight on c3 and considering there's a bishop lurking on g6, black then just takes on c2... I really don't get it.|
|Jan-14-07|| ||jedrus07: Well... It took us just few minutes to analise this move better than a top GM :D|
|Jan-14-07|| ||Ziggurat: <I think Scandianavian was played last year at Corus. It seems you can't surprise grandmasters.>|
I think it was Kamsky who played the Scandinavian last year. This opening is also Tiviakov's specialty, so Svidler would have been prepared for it.
|Jan-14-07|| ||jedrus07: Does it transpose to KNB vs K endgame which proved to be difficult even for some GMs? :)|
|Jan-14-07|| ||cannibal: <jedrus>
Don't think so. After 66. Bc4 black can't stop the b-pawn from queening.
|Jan-14-07|| ||ivan999: I have seen a few scandinavian games on this level and I think it is not a good choice to play it as black. I can recall that Anand lost to Kasparov in that opening in 95. I also remember Kamsky and Van Wely tried it with black against Topalov, both loosing their games. I haven't seen black winning with that opening on this level. However, this defence is very popular on amateur level. I love to play it usually putting my queen on a5 after white plays knight on c3.|
|Jan-14-07|| ||jedrus07: Thank you for responce <cannibal> I am sleepy and missed that :)|
|Jan-14-07|| ||ganstaman: <ivan999> I believe that top players have found it better for them to put the queen on d6 or perhaps play 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6. At least I believe they prefer these to the more normal 3...Qa5 (which seems perfectly playable for those of us not rated 2700 or so).|
|Jan-14-07|| ||shr0pshire: This was a very complicated game, especially at the end. Tiviakov seems to have made an oversight in the ending which led to Svidler's win. |
This nets black a pawn, but black forgets this wastes precious time and allows white the tempo he needs to coordinate both rooks on the 7th rank.
49. Raa7 Rg4+ 50. Kh2 Nd6
Black needed to make the Nd6 move back on move 49 to protect white's light squared bishop from the coordinated rooks, but now it is too late.
|Jan-15-07|| ||ajile: This opening should be played more. Black got a decent position out of the opening. He just got outplayed in the middle and endgame.|
|Jan-15-07|| ||DutchDunce: <3...Qd6> Occasionally seen at the moron level (e.g., mine) is the brilliant Qc6. :P|
|Jan-15-07|| ||shr0pshire: ooh, I meant 48, when I said that black ought to have played 48. ...Nd6 to protect the white light squared bishop.|
|Jan-15-07|| ||plang: "I can recall that Anand lost to Kasparov in that opening in 95."|
Anand got a great position out of the opening and had the advantage; Kasparov outlayed him in the middle game. That game was a great advertisement for the Scandinavian.
|Jan-16-07|| ||Ybrevo: <ivan999> Actually Tiviakov beat Kamsky with this opening in the same tournament last year. I think it is a very sound and interesting opening, but unfortunately Tiviakov can´t use it as a surprise weapon anymore.
If anyone should be interested in learning more on this opening, I can recommend the book by Michael Melts: "Scandinavian Defense - the dynamic 3. - Qd6".|
|Jan-16-07|| ||bougre: I believe that 12.. Qxb2 could be countered by 13. Qe1 followed by Rb1 and a good attack.|
|Jan-17-07|| ||Mateo: A very interesting game. From Tiviakov, stubborn defence, one his main qualities, but some uncertain handling of the pawn structure, a defect in some others of his lost games. Svidler played it with his usual subtle style but, as often, could have shortened the game.|
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd6 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 a6 6. g3 Bg4 7. h3 Bh5 8. Bg2 Nc6 9. O-O O-O-O 10. Bf4 Qb4 11. g4 <The novelty, instead of 11.a3.> Bg6 <11...Qxb2? 12.Qe1! Bg6 13.Rb1! Qxc2 14.Ne5!, threatening to take on c6 as well as Rc1 trapping the Queen, gives White a winning attack. There are too many threats.> 12. a3 Qc4 <Avoiding again to open the b file with 12...Qxb2, which would give attacking prospects against the Black King.> 13. g5 Nd5? <He should retreat the Knight.> 14. Nxd5 Rxd5 <14...Qxd5 15.Ne5 Qxd4 16.Qg4+ e6 17.Bxc6 wins for White.> 15. c3? <15.Ne5 wins the exchange.> Rd8 16. b3 Qd3 <16...Qxc3 17.d5 opening a file in front of the Black King was too dangerous.> 17. Qc1 Qc2 18. Qe3 e6 <Avoiding again the opening of the b file with Qxb3.> 19. b4 Qe4 20. Nd2 Qxe3 21. fxe3 e5 22. Bg3 exd4?! <This move opening the c file to White’s advantage seems questionable. Now Black gets the attack.> 23. cxd4 Bd6 24. Bxd6 cxd6 <If 24...Rxd6? 25.Nc4 Rdd8 26.Bxc6 bxc6 27.Ne5 Rhe8 28.Rae1, White wins a pawn.> 25. Rac1 <White has not only the c file, but also the b6 and d5 square for his Knight and a possible pawn storm on the queenside.> Kd7 26. Nc4 h6 27. Nb6+ Ke8!? <27...Kc7 was natural.> 28. gxh6 Rxh6 29. Nd5 <If 29.Bxc6 bxc6 30.Rxc6, Black has 30...Rxh3. Svidler does not allow any counterplay to his opponent.> f6 30. a4 Bf7 31. b5 axb5 32. axb5 Na5 33. Ra1 Nc4 34. Ra7 Rh5 <34...Bxd5 35.Bxd5 Nxe3? 36.Re1 Rxh3 37.Kf2, the pinn wins for White.> 35. Nc7+ Kf8 <Only move. If 35...Kd7? 36.Rxb7, White wins. 36...Nxe3? 37.Nd5+ with discovered check.> 36. Bxb7 Rxh3 <Black cannot coordinate this Rook with the others pieces. This will prove fatal.> 37. Rf3 Rh5 <37...Rxf3 38.Bxf3 Nxe3? 39.b6, the pawn cannot be stopped.> 38. Bc6 Rb8 39. Rg3 Nb6 40. e4 Nc8? <This move was a blunder which should have lost quickly.> 41. Ra1? <41.Ra8 Rxa8 42.Nxa8 (threatens b6) Ne7 (only move) 43.d5, ready to push b6, White wins because he has full control of b6.> Rh4 42. Na6 Rb6 43. Nb4 <Threatens 44.Ra8 Be6 45.d5, winning a piece.> Rb8 <Only move. 43...Ne7? 44.Ra8+.> 44. Rga3 <Threatens again Ra8 winning a piece.> Nb6 <Only move.> 45. Ra7 d5 46. Na6 Rd8 47. Rb7 Nc4 48. Nc5 <Blacl lost lost the battle for the control of the key square b6. White wins.> dxe4 49. Raa7 Rg4+ 50. Kh2 Nd6 51. Rxf7+! <A winning combination.> Nxf7 52. Ne6+ Kg8 53. Nxd8 Ng5 <53...Nd8 54.Ra8.> 54. Bd5+ Kh7 55. Ne6 Nf3+ 56. Kh3 f5 57. Rxg7+! <Another nice little combination Capablancalike.> Rxg7 58. Nxg7 Nxd4 <58...Kxg7 59.b6, the pawn cannot be stopped.> 59. b6 e3 60. Kg2 Nc2 61. Kf1 Nb4 62. b7 Na6 63. Nxf5 Kg6 64. Ne7+ Kf6 65. Nc6 1-0
|Jan-17-07|| ||lunacyfrog: "I can recall that Anand lost to Kasparov in that opening in 95."|
Huh? Even Kasparov acknowledged that Anand got the better of the opening.
|Jan-22-07|| ||Paul123: I used to play the Scandinavian Qd6 var. last time I checked it was closed to busted
IMO….3...Qd6 var is not playable anymore unless major improvement are found…….when both 5…c6 and 5…a6 lead to major 'problems'
4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 a6 ?! (its been my experience white gets to have a party at blacks expense.|
4.d4 Nf6 5.Nf3 c6 var is no better…...Ne5! Nbd7 7.Nc4! Qc7 8.Qf3! Nb6 9.Bf4 Qd8 10.Be5) given by Khalifman in his series "1.e4 according to...Anand"!! I used to play the C6 var but white just marches his h and g pawn down the kingside for a great initiative…..
|Jan-22-07|| ||Plato: <Paul123> I agree, but why isn't the 3...Qa5 variation seen more often? I have great difficulty getting any tangible advantage on the White side of that. I've always thought the main line 3...Qa5 Scandinavian is an underrated system for Black.|
|Jan-22-07|| ||Ron: <Mateo> You analysis of this game seems pretty good. Please keep up the good work.|
|Jan-24-07|| ||Paul123: Plato: Good question.... I don't know….
I don’t know why the 3...Qa5 variation is not seen more often. I agree the 3...Qa5 is an dynamically underrated yet solid system. I assume its because the resulting positions resemble classical D pawn formation. Which if you play a lot of e4 openings as white and use a Sicilian and an Indian defense against d5 (very popular now) the resulting positions attractiveness is probably lost.
Same goes with the Panov-Botvinnk attack against the Caro Kan. IMO I think its a much more of a dangerous attack than the closed variation or letting Black play his/her pet line in the classical or Karpov variation.
Yet, its not seen as much at the club level for (I guess, the same reasons as the 3…Qa5 Scandinavian)
|Mar-07-07|| ||vesivialvy93: Very hard to understand , very technical game , it's impossible for a -2000 to get all the ideas without a computer help at least to understand tactics behind positionals choices by strongs GM like that ! good challenge to work trough this game.|
|Sep-03-07|| ||notyetagm: <plang: "I can recall that Anand lost to Kasparov in that opening in 95."
Anand got a great position out of the opening and had the advantage; Kasparov outlayed him in the middle game. That game was a great advertisement for the Scandinavian.>|
Yes, the blame for Anand's loss in that game lies with Anand, not the Scandinavian.
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