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Vladimir Kramnik vs Alexey Shirov
Corus (2007)  ·  English Opening: Anglo-Indian Defense. King's Indian Formation (A15)  ·  1-0
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Jan-15-07
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  notyetagm: <samikd: Horrible blunder, but as Anand once said, "All moves in a bad position are bad">

Good quote.

Jan-15-07
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  notyetagm: <shr0pshire: <samikd> it wasn't a bad position at all; in fact, in my opinion it is quite drawable for black.>

Is the position drawable for Black even if the Black b4-pawn drops off?

Jan-15-07  sheaf: shirov is not preparing enough and also has got rusty...but then he is fire who knows we might see the best of him in the rest of the tournament...
Jan-15-07  Lt. Col. Majid: It is too early to write Shirov off, though he hasn't been the force he used to be. My guess is he isn't as committed as he used to be.

This loss to his arch-rival could spark his loins and be the turning point to his coming back.

Jan-15-07  square dance: i dont think its ever too early to write a player off. look at kamsky for example. he was gone for 10 years!
Jan-15-07  rover: 24.Na4 is a very nice move. It puts the knight on the rim but stops Black from exhanging off his bad piece, blocks off the a-file, which Black controlls, and prepares the incursion on the c-file.
Jan-15-07  alicefujimori: The opening wasn't really bad for black, but during the game I thought 15...Na5 was too committal and quite useless as white most will definitely reply with 16.b3 (in which he did) to stop the knight from going to c4. So 15...Qb6 protecting the b-pawn and allow the f-rook to come into play is a better alternative. It also free the d8 square for a possible knight manoevur Nd8-Ne6. So that's a possible improvement for black.
Jan-15-07
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  Honza Cervenka: As I can see, Shirov has played this system for the first time and so it is quite possible that 7.e4!? was a surprize for him. Or maybe that he has noticed over the board something which he did not like and what he missed in preparation and so he has fallen into deep thinking mode after 7.e4. Kramnik played the game very well.
Jan-15-07  slomarko: <acirce: It's certainly a very nice game. Truly vintage Kramnik> only that it was not. it was more a bad game from Shirov than anything else.
Jan-15-07
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  acirce: And what was so bad about it apart from the blunder where he was close to lost anyway?
Jan-15-07  Lt. Col. Majid: <only that it was not. it was more a bad game from Shirov than anything else. >

I agree. Corus management has announced that Kramnik will get 0.75 instead of 1 point.

Jan-15-07  shr0pshire: <notyetagm> <Is the position drawable for Black even if the Black b4-pawn drops off?> Let's face it. I am no where near their level, however, blacks pieces look uncoordinated at the end, but the material is very balanced.

I just did a little analysis of my own yesterday and it seemed that a draw was probable. Not defintately a draw, but I think it is likely that this position could have drawn without the blunder. But that is just my analsysis.

Jan-15-07
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  Ulhumbrus: After 34 Kd3 White is playing with an extra King as well as an extra bishop. Shirov blundered before Kramnik could use his extra active material to overpower the Queen side.
Jan-15-07  Karpova: Kramnik was outplaying Shirov and a win for white was quite likely. At least, Shirov didn't blunder away a winning or drawing position but just shortened the end. Good game by Kramnik!
Jan-15-07  slomarko: <acirce: And what was so bad about it apart from the blunder where he was close to lost anyway?> how about that he thought for 1 hour (1 hour!!) one move 7, then make bad moves like b4, played without a plan, ended up in time trouble etc, etc, etc..
Jan-15-07
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  notyetagm: <Lt. Col. Majid: ... Corus management has announced that Kramnik will get 0.75 instead of 1 point.>

Excellent. I see that the Corus manangement accepted the $200,000 "gift" that I gave them to arrange this special scoring system just for Kramnik.

Jan-15-07
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  notyetagm: <slomarko: <acirce: And what was so bad about it apart from the blunder where he was close to lost anyway?> how about that he thought for 1 hour (1 hour!!) one move 7, then make bad moves like b4, played without a plan, ended up in time trouble etc, etc, etc..>

Agreed. This was a really poorly played game by Shirov. Atrocious time management and planless playing alone make this game one that Shirov would like to quickly forget.

An hour to play 7 ... c7-c6??? What the hell!?

Jan-15-07  dehanne: 34...Rb7?? is a blunder worthy of a FIDE world championship.
Jan-15-07
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  ketchuplover: Despite appearances I have not been coaching mr. Shirov. You can be shir ov that :)
Jan-16-07  Lt. Col. Majid: <Excellent. I see that the Corus manangement accepted the $200,000 "gift" that I gave them to arrange this special scoring system just for Kramnik.>

U r very influencial dude.

Now go fix Topa's challenge against the World Champion. U mentor Danailov is messing things up.

Jan-16-07
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  thegoodanarchist: <ketchuplover> Very clever!
Jan-16-07  Shajmaty: <notyetagm: An hour to play 7 ... c7-c6??? What the hell!?> And then 18...b4? Terrible game by Alexei.
Jan-18-07  AAAAron: Good Game by Drawnik! If Drawnik can't force mate, then he'll force his opponents into a draw. He does this by chain smoking one cigarette after another until his opponent gets sick. And after every drawn game he exclaims, "Hey!? Who took my cigarettes?" Oh that silly Kramnik!
Jan-21-07  Rocafella: www.talktofrank.com
Nov-03-07  Poisonpawns: Shirovs "Fire on Board pt 7" blundering in lost positions to make it seem like i wasnt really lost before the blunder 34..Rb7 allowing an elementary Fork after 35.rxe6 kxe6 36.Nc5+
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