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Luis Also Alvarado vs B Rodriguez
"Also Schach Zarathustra" (game of the day May-23-09)
Mesa 1992  ·  Indian Game: King's Indian. Fianchetto Variation (E68)  ·  1-0
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Jan-24-07  badbishops: anyone get the pun?
Jan-24-07
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  WannaBe: 'Also' is the middle name. That's about as far as I got.

In another word, no. I did not get the 'pun'.

Jan-24-07
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  Sneaky: Best pun ever!!!!
Jan-24-07  thathwamasi: can someone explain the pun..I could think of the nietzche's book..however i dont get the connection...I think there something more to it than the similairity of the names....
Jan-24-07
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  chessmoron: It's the book by German philospher, Friedrich Nietzsche called Thus Spoke Zarathustra: A Book for All and None. The pun is a German translation of "Thus Spoke Zarathustra."
Jan-24-07
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  cu8sfan: Great pun! Excellent. Schach is the German word for Chess.
Jan-24-07
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  chessmoron: Oh I get it now. Spoke in German is 'sprach' and 'Schach' in German is chess.
Jan-24-07
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  Sneaky: http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/soun...
Jan-24-07
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  TheAlchemist: I agree, great pun. BTW, it's also a composition by Richard Strauss.
Jan-24-07
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  acirce: Terrible pun! (That's a compliment.)
Jan-24-07
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  OneArmedScissor: <Spoke in German is 'sprach' and 'Schach' in German is chess.>

What?

Jan-24-07
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  Jack Kerouac: 'That which does not mate you,
makes you stronger...'
-Fried-Liver Nimzo
Jan-24-07
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  thesonicvision: that's not a pun.
that's a riddle in the style of one
of batman's most famous arch-nemeses.

i can see it now...

robin, "riddler's attached what looks
like algebraic notation with the note
'also schach zarathustra,' on the
bottom, batman. what could it mean?"

Jan-24-07
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  tatarch: The pun aside, this is actually kind of a cool tactical game. I'm a big fan of 24. d6 and 25. Qg5, attacking the c5 horse and pinning the g7 bishop. Black can't take the d6 pawn with his queen because of the discovered attack by the Rd1, and after Qg5 White threatens a discovered mate threat and attack on the queen with the Bb2 and Nc3 combo.

I'll let someone else analyze it out, but why didn't black play 25... Re5?

Jan-24-07
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  kevin86: White will end up a rook and bishop + four pawns vs two bishops and three pawns. If it were played out,white has a little work left. Maybe black didn't need to fight for the possible half point. After all,life is too short.
Jan-24-07
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  WannaBe: Looks like an early nomination lock for Caissar later in the year. (pun category)
Jan-24-07
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  Timothy Glenn Forney: He who fights with chess puzzles should look to it that he himself does not become a puzzle. And when you gaze long into an position, the position gazes also into you.
Jan-24-07  Kreifi: I never get the puns. :( And the game was dull. Nothing ever is not fine.
Jan-24-07  cannibal: Hehe. That pun certainly brings out the best in cg's members.

"One must have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing rook." (Friedrich Wilhelm Topalov)

Jan-24-07
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  astaub: The original title of Nietzsche's book (which was written in German) is "Also sprach Zarathrusta". So the pun is just two letters different from that title.

I was able to deduce this because of my high school German. The other day, I was talking to a German tourist couple in New York City. They spoke fluent English but I could not resist showing off, so I spoke to them a little bit in German. I asked how they liked my high school German. The husband replied "It's about on the same level as your high school English".

May-23-09
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  al wazir: I have to say, this "pun" is utterly stupid. It makes no sense in English or German, and neither the game nor the players have any connection with Nietzsche, Zarathustra, or Zoroastrianism. The supposed pun does nothing more than exploit the similarity between a player's name and the German word _also_, meaning "thus." That word happens to occur in the title of a well known book, but it also occurs in about a billion other contexts.

If this were an exceptional departure from <CG>'s otherwise uniformly high standards it would not be worth harrumphing about; but ALL of <CG>'s puns are similarly pointless.

There's an old saying in England, dating from before the currency was decimalized, as follows: "Take care of the pence, and the pounds will take care of themselves." ("Pence" means "pennies.") In _Alice in Wonderland_ Lewis Carroll changed that into "Take care of the sounds and the sense will take care of itself."

That, to my mind, is a truly clever pun, but it might also be the motto of <CG>'s punsters.

May-23-09  newzild: Okay, nice pun - but not much of a game. 25...Nc8 was a clear blunder. I'd rather see the latest brilliancy from Carlsen or Shirov.
May-23-09  UnsoundHero: Black's best try appears to be 25...Re5 26 Qxf4 Ne8.
May-23-09  mworld: black gives up at move 25...not sure why this is a good game yet. look forward to the master players weighing in on this one.
May-23-09  I Like Fish: what also speaks against this is...
missing punctuation...
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