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| May-10-15 | | lost in space: <<diagonalley:> got most of the first few moves ending with a N+3P and an attack for the rook... counts as a result for sunday! :-)> Same here |
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| May-10-15 | | jith1207: I would not complain about "Insane" puzzle not being even difficult level. At least for one Sunday in a while. ;-) |
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| May-10-15 | | stacase: I went move for move up until 30.e4. I maybe would have gotten a draw over the board. Insane? Count me in with the others tonight. |
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| May-10-15 | | morfishine: Like many others, I had <24.Rxf6> followed by 24...gxf6 25.Bxf6+ Bxf6 26.Qxf6+ Rg7 27.Qxh6+ Kg8 28.Qxe6+ I figured this was too normal and I'd missed the "insane" move once again, but alas, this was the right move-order (of course, there's no way I saw all the way to move 40) ***** |
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May-10-15
 | | scormus: I suppose when CG say insaen, they mean insane. I never thought I see the day I get the first 6 moves of a POTD, and still not solve it. The crucial 30 e4 and continuation eluded me. Instead I fancied <Bc4+ Rxc4 31 Qe6+ Kh7 32 Qxc4>, winning back the exchange and thinking that's it with a 3p to the good. But the the advantage is eroded after <32 ... Rxg2+ Kf1 Qf8+> and W will have more work to do to secure the win. |
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| May-10-15 | | wooden nickel: If it was Black to move, then 24... Bxe3+ and 25.Kh1 Rg5 with a strong attack.
click for larger view24.Bd4 would prevent that but 24.Rxf6 is even better and "insanity" begins by trying to find the perfect following order of moves! |
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| May-10-15 | | arun.pulak: remove the rook on e7 and the knight on f6 and you are done...this is way easier than monday even...lol |
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| May-10-15 | | arun.pulak: i think kramnik played very badly here....there were so many beautiful moves like Ba3,...g3 then h4 etc...to achieve a cleaner and faster mate i feel.... |
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| May-10-15 | | patzer2: <scormus: I suppose when CG say insaen, they mean insane. I never thought I see the day I get the first 6 moves of a POTD, and still not solve it.> Pretty close to my sentiments. It's easy enough on this Sunday puzzle for a club player to see the initial part of the solution is 24. Rxf6! gxf6 25. Bxf6+ Bxf6 26. Qxf6+ Rg7 27. Qxh6+ Kg8 28. Qxe6+  , collecting three pawns for the exchange. However, it's not so easy to find the follow-up and win this "won game" by finding moves like 30. e4!! or 31. Nd6! The final stunning follow-up 40. e5! forces mate-in-16 or less according to Fritz. One fun possibility, should Black not resign after 40. e5!, is 40...Qg8 41. Qf6+ Rg7 42. Nxg7 Qxg7 43. Qd8+ Qg8 44. Qh4+ Kg7 (diagram below) 
click for larger view45. Qf6#.
P.S.: For an improvement for Black, perhaps 13... Nxe5! would have held. After 13...Nxe5!, Fritz indicates play might continue 14. dxe5 Nd7 15. f4 Nc5 16. Bb1 Ba6 17. Rfe1 dxc4 18. bxc4 Rfd8 19. Ne4 Nxe4 20. Bxe4 Bc5 21. Bd4 Qe7 = with a fully level position. |
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| May-10-15 | | Tiggler: <stacase: I went move for move up until 30.e4. I maybe would have gotten a draw over the board. Insane? Count me in with the others tonight.> The insane move here was 30.e4 . If you didn't find that, you didn't solve the puzzle (I didn't). In the finish a beautiful echo of the same theme with 40.e5 . Definitely insane. I doubt whether Kramnik saw it all. Note the repetition embedded in the sequence. |
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May-10-15
 | | Penguincw: Ooh, I didn't realize that rook over there.
Is it Monday yet? |
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May-10-15
 | | Jimfromprovidence: <M.Hassan> <29.Qh6+
Queen checks on h6 again to come to h file and watch h2 square 29........Kg8> That is very true.
29 Qh6+ also protects against 29...Qg4. So move order is crucial as, for example, 29 e4 allows for 29...Qg4, below with the threat of 30...Rxg2+. 
click for larger view Also, FWIW, 29 Qh3+ Kg8 30 e4 also seems to work for white. 
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| May-10-15 | | vajeer: Wouldn't 27. Bg6 win too? |
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| May-10-15 | | thegoodanarchist: I finally put chris owen on ingnore. I don't mind his gibberish, until the posts get so long that he has to make two consecutive. Then it is time to go. |
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| May-10-15 | | agb2002: The material is identical.
Black is about to play 24... Bxe3+ 25.Kh1 Rg5 with the double threat 26... Bxg2# and 26... Rxg6. These threats and the position of the black king suggest 24.Rxf6: A) 24... gxf6 25.Bxf6+ Bxf6 26.Qxf6+ Rg7 (26... Rg8 27.Qxe7 + -) 27.Qxh6+ Kg8 28.Qxe6+ with three pawns for the exchange and attack. B) 24... Bxe3+ 25.Kf1
B.1) 25... Qe8 26.Qxh6+ gxh6 (26... Kg8 27.Qh7#) 27.Rf8#. B.2) 25... gxf6 26.Bxf6+ Rg7 27.Qxg7#.
C) 24... Bxf6 25.Qh7#.
That's all I can do today. |
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| May-10-15 | | IraqSon: The insane moves is yet to come, after move 40.e5 Qg1, 41.Qxg1+ Kxg1,42Bxh7+ Kxh7,43.Nxb5........ |
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| May-10-15 | | Marmot PFL: A nearly symmetrical pawn structure but white has queen, rook and bishops attacking the black king. The fairly simple (for a Sunday) exchange sac 24 Rxf6 gf 25 Bxf6+ Bxf6 26 Qxf6+ Rg7 27 Qxh6+ Kg8 28 Qxe6+ nets 3 pawns and a strong attack. |
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| May-10-15 | | BxChess: <vajeer> I was also thinking along the lines of opening the d-file for the rook. But there seems no good place for the bishop. Your suggestion 27. Bg6 cuts off the h-pawn from the queen, but it does remove one attack on the g2 pawn. Black has 27...Rc8. White can scoop up the e-pawn and bring the knight to d5, and would likley win with significant advantage, but not quite as much as in the game line. |
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| May-10-15 | | morfishine: <thegoodanarchist> UR right, I never thought of it that way <Tiggler...The insane move here was 30.e4 . If you didn't find that, you didn't solve the puzzle> You are entitled to your opinion, but 30.e4 is not "insane", not in the least. In fact its about as mundane and/or normal a move as one would expect ***** |
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| May-10-15 | | RandomVisitor: If 20...Bxe3+
click for larger view Rybka 4.1 x64:
[-0.39] d=18 21.Kh1 Nf4 22.Rxf4 Qxf4 23.Qxe6+ Rf7 24.Rf1 Bf2 25.d5 Rd8 26.Bc4 Bc8 27.Qe5 Qxe5 28.Bxe5 Kh7 |
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| May-10-15 | | Tiggler: <morfishine>:<I figured this was too normal and I'd missed the "insane" move once again, but alas, this was the right move-order (of course, there's no way I saw all the way to move 40)>. < You are entitled to your opinion, but 30.e4 is not "insane", not in the least.> Clearly you are right. If it were insane, it would have been to you <as mundane and/or normal> as all your other insanities. |
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| May-10-15 | | vajeer: <BxChess:> if 27...Rc8, then White can play 28. Rd7 |
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| May-10-15 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: Same here as several folks -- I got to 3 pawns vs. the exchange, but didn't keep going to see how to shut down any Black counterplay and/or gain more advantage. |
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| May-12-15 | | morfishine: <Tiggler> I'll take that as a compliment. Now, do us a favor and limit your sarcastic garbage posts to more applicable forums. Rogoff & So come to mind Even better, just keep your fat mouth shut
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| May-13-15 | | Tiggler: Pretty embarassing for you, that post, <morphishine>. Probably too late to delete it now, so I guess you'll just have to wear it. :-) |
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