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|Jan-29-07|| ||LaSmitedCrab: 27. e8=Q! Nice finesse.
Excuse me. Nice crusher.
|Jan-29-07|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <Infohunter: "Novel situation" indeed. I, for one, have never before seen a serious game with this type of finish, just to put in my two cents regarding the question posed by Grandmaster Penrose.>|
I also cannot remember any other example of a game with such a final position, in effect, a double Queen sacrifice. The final position is made the more aesthetic by the additional features (both Queens en prise to the same piece and either Queen able to give mate in one upon the capture of the other) summarized in Grandmaster Penrose's comments.
|Jan-29-07|| ||artemis: This is a very pretty finish, but I cant help but think that black would have been helped out if he had tried to develop before move 12.|
|Jan-29-07|| ||Sneaky: This is quite a chess oddity. Somebody needs to send this to Tim Krabbe, if he doesn't know about it already!|
|Jan-29-07|| ||kevin86: Aside from the strange conclusion,the game has a strange irony:In the beginning-white was developing pieces while his opponent was pushing his pawns. After move thiteen, white had two pieces out and was castled,black had none. So,it is WHITE who queens a pawn.|
|Jan-29-07|| ||al wazir: <Cyphelium>: 20...fxe6 21. Qxe6 Bc8. If 22. Qe7, then 22...Rg8, and if now 23. Ne5 then 23...Ra7. If 22. Qg6, then 22...Ra7 (possibly followed by 23...Rb7). How does white make progress now?|
|Jan-29-07|| ||fm avari viraf: Well, rarely we come across such a position where both the White's Queens are en prise & Black is helpless to avoid mate.|
|Jan-29-07|| ||Themofro: Sweet position when black resigns! Reminds me a bit of the four queen Alekhine-Capablacka game in the WC match that one time.|
|Jan-29-07|| ||weev: Please define 'en prise'.|
|Jan-29-07|| ||WannaBe: <weev> 'en prise' is when the Federation's budget runs short, and have to cut back on a few letters from the saucer section of NCC-1701.|
|Jan-29-07|| ||keypusher: <weev> en prise = under attack. In the final postion both of White's queens are under attack.|
|Jan-29-07|| ||psmith: <al wazir>
I think after 20...fxe6 21. Qxe6 Bc8 22. Qe7 Rg8 white has good chances with 23. Ng5!?
I also think after 20...fxe6 21. Qxe6 Qa7 (or just about any Black move) 22. Ng5!? is good for White. I've been playing around with this with Fritz 5.32 and White's attack is surprisingly strong.
|Jan-30-07|| ||al wazir: <psmith>: After 20...fxe6 21. Qxe6 Bc8 22. Qe7 Rg8 23. Ng5 c5 24. dxc5 (24. Nf7+ Kh7; 24. Ne6 Ra7) Ra7. I don't see what white has, but maybe I'm missing something.|
|Jan-30-07|| ||Cyphelium: <al wazir & psmith> 21.- c8 seems like a good idea! First, I thought that 20.- fxe6 21. xe6 c8 22. g6 was promising. After 22.- a7?! 23. g5 hxg5 24. hxg5 it indeed looks bad for black, since white threatens things like h5+ followed by g6 or h3+ etc. For example 24.- c7 25. h3+ g8 26. e2! and black is helpless against h7+ and h5+. The problem is 22.- c7!, eyeing the check on f4 and the g3. Then black seems to defend; 23. g5 hxg5 24. xg5 a7 25. h7+ f7 26. g5 e8 27. e1+ d8 was one disappointing line I came up with.|
|Jan-30-07|| ||Cyphelium: <al wazir> If nothing else, white can go for the draw after something like 20.- fxe6 21. e5 h7 22. xg7+ xg7 23. g3+ h8 24. g6+ g8 25. e5+ or 23.- h7 24. g6+ h8 25. xh6+ etc. If that's the best, then you're of course perfectly right about 20. -fxe6 being a far better move.|
|Jan-30-07|| ||psmith: <al wazir>: 20...fxe6 21. Qxe6 Bc8 22. Qe7 Rg8 23. Ng5 c5 24. dxc5 Ra7 25. Qf7! is good for White. If 25... Rxf7 26. Nxf7+ Kh7 27. cxb6 wins the exchange. If 25... Qxc5 26. Qg6 leads to mate. If 25... hxg5 26. Qxg8+ Kxg8 27. cxb6 wins the exchange again.|
|Jan-30-07|| ||psmith: <al wazir> Actually my first line wins more than an exchange for White...|
|Jan-30-07|| ||al wazir: <psmith>: 20...fxe6 21. Qxe6 Bc8 22. Qe7 Rg8 23. Ng5 c5 24. dxc5 Ra7 25. Qf7 Qc7, threatening the on g3. White has strong -- maybe overwhelming -- control of the board, but hey! it's not mate yet.|
<psmith, Cyphelium>: OK, I see that 20...fxe6 is bad. I'm still not convinced that it's worse than 20...f6, but thanks.
|Jan-31-07|| ||psmith: <al wazir> 20...fxe6 21. Qxe6 Bc8 22. Qe7 Rg8 23. Ng5 c5 24. dxc5 Ra7 25. Qf7 Qc7 26. Qg6 is overwhelming. The only defense to mate is 26...Qf4+ and 27...Qxg5. And that doesn't last long.|
Actually I think 20...fxe6 *is* probably better than 20...f6. I found the Ng5 idea myself but it took a lot of analysis with Fritz to convince me that White's attack is strong -- surprisingly strong in many lines.
|Jan-31-07|| ||psmith: After 20...fxe6 21. Qxe6 the best defense seems to be 21... Qc7 which probably leads to a draw -- 22. Ne5 (since the R on g3 is threatened) Kh7 23. Qg6+ Kh8 24. Qe6 =.|
So 20... fxe6 probably is a good move.
|Feb-02-07|| ||vonKrolock: Yes, the combination is very interesting, however the comments in "Kingpin" are by Jonathan ROGERS (more details here http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... number 4826 Jan 2007|
|Dec-20-08|| ||WhiteRook48: Hi everyone I'm en prise please take me... oh you won't you took my lookalike? Oh well Checkmate!
(That was the Queen speaking)|
|Dec-20-08|| ||whiteshark: <That was the Queen speaking> Witch one?|
|Dec-22-08|| ||WhiteRook48: the e8-one|
|Sep-09-09|| ||WhiteRook48: no it was the g3-one|
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