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City of Moscow vs City of London
"Skating on Thin Ice" (game of the day Feb-02-07)
Moscow-London Ice Chess (2007)  ·  Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Traxler Counterattack Bishop sac line (C57)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Feb-02-07  xenophon: and people who play it are the wilke-barre kids
Feb-02-07  m1ch4lek: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

some photos.

Feb-02-07  sfm: <al wazir: How can this be a draw? What does black do after 37...Rxd4 38. Rb3 ? > Good question! After pondering I think the answer lies in 38.-,Rc4. E.g. 39.Rb1,Rc1 40.b6,Rxb1 41.Rxb1,Nc1 ... so white must find something else.
Feb-02-07  dehanne: This game was drawn because all pieces had melted just before reaching the time control.

Hence, it's a draw according to the 'few pieces to mate' rule.

Feb-02-07  mack: <This game was drawn because all pieces had melted just before reaching the time control.>

Simply not true. The pieces were undeniably melting, but the idea that there was nothing but a puddle left at the end seems to have been perpetuated by mainstream news channels. In fact the draw came about because the Moscow team had no more than a minute left on the clock and offered a draw, which Nosher & Co. sportingly accepted.

Feb-02-07  black knight c6: If you want a tactical game, not a positional one, go for 1. e4... Damn that was crazy, but a good crazy.
Feb-02-07
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  Peligroso Patzer: Here is the explanation for the result in this game from the following chessbase story:

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

"White had a winning position, but Black (London) was winning on time. So accepting the draw offer from Moscow was an acceptable decision for both sides."

Feb-02-07  geraldo8187: i know that this is the traxler variation, but with 5Nxf7 the evaluation is at least +3.3. i realize that the position is very dangerous, but if white just plays very sharp for about 10 moves afterwards, he has a winning game.
Feb-02-07
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  kellmano: Don't wish to gang up on you Geraldo, but on opening explorer black wins 75.2% of games after 5.Nxf7.

Not to say it's bad for white (in fact i play it myself), but to say the <game should be lost for black> is certainly a bit much.

Feb-02-07
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  chrisowen: Good afternoon. Given such erudite commentary there, white's steel will strengthen. See also Karpov vs Beliavsky, 1983
Feb-02-07  playschessforlaughs: is the traxler busted? I've recently taken to playing it a bit online (at which i'm just a patzer)with mixed results. Fritz always thinks I'm lost and when white plays well its usually right, but one false move by white and I often win. Any thoughts?
Feb-02-07  Ashram64: oh come on..the london team sucks but got lucky..and undeniably they just want to play on the ice.. if they want a real chess game..go play on the board.
Feb-02-07  xenophon: <playschessforlaughs: is the traxler busted? I've recently taken to playing it a bit online (at which i'm just a patzer)with mixed results. Fritz always thinks I'm lost and when white plays well its usually right, but one false move by white and I often win. Any thoughts?>

Totally agree i play it OTB against selected opponents.Quite often at move 5 they think for 5 min then castle!After that you know the game is as good as won.

Feb-02-07  DanRoss53: <geraldo8187> In theory, I think the Traxler is drawn... but I'd never play it as White and have decent results with Black (especially when the gambit is accepted).

Do you have a proposed line that gives White a clear advantage?

Feb-02-07  Manequinho: 5. Nxf7 maybe bad for white, according to chessgames.com statistic, but why not play 7.Nf7 ?
Feb-02-07  Akavall: I think Traxler is perfectly playable:

Anand vs Beliavsky, 1991

I Efimov vs Shirov, 1991

The reason we don't see it at top level chess is because white hardly ever plays 4. Ng5 or even 3. Bc4 for that matter.

Btw, great event!

Feb-02-07  WarmasterKron: <mack> Indeed, Moscow had very little time left, but this was for good reason. The clock was in London!
Feb-02-07
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  kevin86: I really enjoyed the runnings of black's knight. I really hopped around a lot in white's camp.

Too bad this game was agreed to as drawn,I see a lot more play in it.

Feb-02-07
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  outplayer: Que bacana! I simply loved that <CG> has published this game. I was longing to play through it and it is the first time I see this traxler variation. Maybe moscow has improved somewhere as it had a winning position when draw was agreed but I think it is interesting to see it in a correspondence game.
Feb-02-07
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  al wazir: <sfm>: 37...Rxd4 38. Rb3 Rc4 39. Rb2 (not 39. Rb1). Now if 39...Rc1, then 40. Rbxd2 Rxd1+ 41. Rxd1 Nc3 42. Rc1! wins.
Feb-02-07  TopaLove: Nice quote. Itīs Pink Floyd - The Wall
Feb-02-07  DanRoss53: <Manequinho> 7. Nf7?! Qf8 8. Nxh8? Bxf2 9. Kf1 (9. Kxf2 Nxe4 10. Ke3 Qf2 11. Kd3 (11. Kxe4 Bf5#) 11... Qd4 12. Ke2 Bg4 13. Ke1 Qf2#) 9... Bg4 and the Queen is trapped. There are, of course, improvements on 8, but 7. 0-0 was probably still best.
Feb-02-07  ChessNe1: <TopaLove: Nice quote. Itīs Pink Floyd - The Wall>

and here i thought it was jethro tull.

Mar-12-07  chessamateur: Wow. The city of Moscow likes its games exicting. Take for example these previous 2: St. Petersburg vs Moscow, 1879 and Moscow vs Riga, 1899
Oct-03-08  jovack: you can bet that mass computers ensured this one evened out to a nice 0.00
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