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| Feb-16-07 | | TopaLove: Then 17. Nxg5 threatening f7. Hard to handle that. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Fisheremon: <RandomVisitor: 32.Qh7+ was better for white.> It's winning, while 32.Rd7+?! was unclear, but Black admitted 38...Rf8?! (better 38...Rg8) leading to a loss. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | percyblakeney: I had 28. Nxf7 but couldn't find anything winning after Nxd1 and gave up. For example 28. Nxf7 Nxd1 29. Nxe5+ Kd8 30. Rxd1+ Kc7 31. Rd7+ Qxd7 32. Nxd7 Kxd7 and it doesn't look all that clear:
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| Feb-16-07 | | midwood2001: 32. Qh7+ is good, percy -- thanks -- |
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Feb-16-07
 | | Phony Benoni: The win after 33...Nxe2 neatly demonstrates the power of the queen:
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Start with <34.Qf7+>. Now 34...Kc6 35.Qxe6+ and any king move is answered by 36.Qxe5+ winning the knight, so <34...Kc8> is forced. Then <35.Qxe6+ Kd8> (35...Kb8 36.Qxe5+) <36.Qxe5> winning the knight, since its only escape square is <36...Nc1> when <37.Qg5+> is yet another fork. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Dr.Lecter: Got the idea, but, as so often is my case, couldn't follow through. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | tatarch: This whole game is actually pretty entertaining. I especially like white's 15th and 16th moves, setting up a nasty trap for black. If black takes the rook with 16...Qxa1, then the black queen can no longer defend, and white's kingside attack would become overwhelming. Although I guess in the end it was overwhelming anyway... |
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| Feb-16-07 | | TrueBlue: percy, my thought exactly! I had 28. Nxf7 (nothing else made sense)
Nxd1 , then move the night somewhere, etc. But couldn't make it work.(I did saw the queen against 2 rooks variation you posted) Could someone please help? |
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Feb-16-07
 | | kevin86: <Dr Lecter> Would it be OK if I stopped by your place for some fava beans and a nice chianti? I understand you are having an old friend over for dinner. lol Here,white wins the queen by overworking the opposing king. A good one. |
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Feb-16-07
 | | al wazir: <tallinn>: Very nice. Kudos to your computer. |
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Feb-16-07
 | | mig55: <TrueBlue:> 28.Nxf7/Rxd1 29. Nxe5/Kd8 30. Rxd1/Kc8 31.Nd7/Qxd7 32.Rxd7/Kxd7 33. Qh7/ Kc8 34. h4/ Bd5 35. h5 and the free pawns win ... |
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Feb-16-07
 | | YouRang: I didn't find it, although I did guess that it would begin with 28. Nxf7 (since it creates pin threats and opens the h-file for the white queen). But that isn't a terribly forcing move, and I figured black would opt for 28...Nxd1, which relieves the black king's bind on the d-file. After looking at the answer, it appears that there wasn't all that much to find anyway...or at least there's no knock-out punch. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | TrueBlue: mig55, Maybe something like this follows:
35 .. Rf2 Bf3 36 Bxf3 gxf3 37 h6
But you have to admit that the position after 28 Nxf7 Nxd1 is not clear at all if you need 10+ moves to get some advantage ... |
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| Feb-16-07 | | wals: Another one filed in the "too hard basket", curses. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Grampmaster: See our previous posts...
<TopaLove...then 17. Nxg5 threatening f7. Hard to handle that.><tatarch...if black takes the rook with 16...Qxa1,....White's kingside attack would become overwhelming.> Still unclear to me fella's.
16.......Qxa1
17.Nxg5 Kd7 escaping the pin
18.Nxf7! Rf8 (what else?)
19.Qxe5 Qxe5
20.Nxe5+ Kd6
21.Ng6 Rf7
22.e5+ Kc7
23.Rf1 Rxf1
24.Bxf1 Nc6 and it's still muddy
on the other hand if instead of 18.Nxg5, what if white plays 18.Qxf7+? 18.Qxf7+ Kc6
19.Nxe6!? Bxe6
20.Qxe6+
Black plays Kc5 or Kc7 and it remains unclear how White wins. If Black gets his Knight out of the chute his two rooks get united. If I were going to snatch the pawn on move 15...Qxb2 I believe I would have continued with taking the rook on the next move. I believe my chances are better for holding on than the line played. Any kibitzer insights?
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Feb-16-07
 | | ClassZPlaya: <gwtorcm>: I came up with 28. Nf5 as well, and I don't see a refutation. As far as I can see this also wins for White. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | SouCapi: <loftus & NakoSonorense> ODE and PDEs are piece of cake for those who play a decent game of chess! |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Zivildiener: can anyone tell me what's wrong with Rxf7?
I see only: Rxf7 Rxf7 Rf1 and black's having a hard time, e.g. Nxe2 Rxf7 or Kd8 Nxf7+... looks good to me
or might Rxf7 also be a good move?
(since Nxf7 is forced it might be the better alternative but is there a mistake in my analysis?! thanks in advantage ;) ) |
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| Feb-16-07 | | zb2cr: Saw the first 3 moves, but lost it thereafter. Another Friday puzzle kicks my butt ... :( |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Themofro: Is there some reason why Rxf7 Rxf7 Rf1 win for white? |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Bob726: <Themofro>This has been talked before, but if Rxf7,Rxf7 Rf1, Nxe2 Rxf7 0-0-0! white can't play Rxe7 because of Rd1# |
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Feb-16-07
| | al wazir: <gwtorcm, ClassZPlaya>: How about this: 28. Nf5 exf5 29. Rxf5 Bd5 30. Rxd5 Nxd5 31. Rxe5 Qxe5 32. Qxe5+ Nd7. Black has  ++ vs.  + . |
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Feb-16-07
| | benveniste: <al-wazir>: Am I missing something? After 28. f5 exf5
29. xf5,
Why doesn't black plays xe2?
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| Feb-16-07 | | Zorts: I'm surprised that I got this one-isn't Friday supposed to be more difficult? For I can only hope to solve the Monday puzzles. |
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Feb-16-07
| | al wazir: <benveniste>: I don't know why you're picking on me; this isn't my line. But you do have a point. 28. Nf5 exf5 29. Rxf5 Nxe2 30. Rxe5 pins the against the  . But 30...Bxg2+! Kxg2 31. Nf4+ Kf2 32. Nxh5 33. Rxe7+ Kxe7 leaves black a and up. So after 29...Nxe2, white plays 30. Qxe2. The threat of 31. Rxe5 is still there, but black can play either 30...f6 or 30...Bc8, intending 31...Be6. |
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