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|Feb-04-07|| ||sambo: Like many others, d6 jumped out at me, though I saw little beyond that.|
Anyway, how often does chessgames.com publish the analysis to a game as an entirely different game? I really like it as a matter of fact- it's quite convenient and allows kibitzing on the new lines.
Good puzzle though.
|Feb-04-07|| ||ClassZPlaya: I couldn't give myself full credit today. I chose 25. d6 and calculated the whole line beginning 25. ... Bxe2, but I didn't even consider 25 ... Rad8 and of course the reply 26. Nd7 (!). I thought that play would continue 25. d6 Nxe5 26. Rxe5 Rxe5 27. Bxe5 Rad8 where I thought White would have a clear advantage, but I didn't calculate that out to a win. Is there a better line for White after 26. d6 Nxe5? And if not, is the position after 27 ... Rad8 in my line above winning for White?|
|Feb-04-07|| ||fm avari viraf: Full of tactics! I could see 25.d6 where the Rook is en prise. But to find the text continuation is difficult.|
|Feb-04-07|| ||micartouse: I took stock of the situation and pursued 25. d6! and I knew I was on to something when I saw it opened up Bd5+ threats. I promised myself I'd analyze both 25 ... Bxe2 and 25 ... Rad8. After a half hour found the whole line in the annotation for 25 ... Bxe2.|
But then I was too tired to analyze 25 ... Rad8. I'm glad I didn't since I never would have seen 26. Nd7! Way over my head.
|Feb-04-07|| ||Richard Taylor: I also decided on d6 but didn't even think Bd5+ In fact after 25.d6 I completely missed Bxe2 - lol. |
I also tried to make 25. Nxg4 work
if Rxe2 26 Nf6 or h6+ but couldn't see anything there so went for d6.
I thought it just won material. Strange position.
|Feb-05-07|| ||kevin86: I did get the first move right!!! However,I completely missedit after that:(|
A good game-or should I say good analysis by Taimanov.
|Feb-06-07|| ||penarol: I did not solve it. I saw d6 as a possible first move but i did not see Nd7 to follow.|
Anyway, in the line 25...Bxe2 26 Bd5+, Black can play 26...Re6, which leaves the e8 square for the king (so that in the following move Nd7 will not be mate) and also threatening the rook in d1 and Bxf2+ (being a rook up).
In that case, what would be the best 28th move for White (after 27 Bxe6+, Kf8). Perhaps Bxg4 or Nxg4, or...?? Is is enough to win?). Or perhaps white should not capture th e6 Rook immediately?
|Apr-19-15|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: The obvious thought is 25 d6, with the threats of Bxa8 and Bd5+. However, ... Bxe2 takes a rook, threatens the rook that is supporting the advanced pawn. and undefends the f2 pawn as well. Well, let's see.|
16 d6 Bxe2
17 Bd5+ Kg7 (the other choices allow immediate mate!)
18 Nxg4+ Kf8
19 Nf6 Red8
20 Nxh7+ Ke8
White will have 2 pieces for the rook.
However, I don't have a good line yet against the answer 16 d6 Bxd6.
|Apr-19-15|| ||al wazir: In the note to black's 25...Rad8, the move 30. Re1 is *not* a check. (There is a black ♗ on e2.)|
|Apr-19-15|| ||M.Hassan: "Insane"
White to play 25.?
25.d6 attacking one Rook and opening diagonal a2g8
28.Nf6 threatening mate by Nxh2+
White has a slight advantage
|Apr-19-15|| ||stst: Black has its B @a6 shooting at White's R @e2, but a double B checking lines in the making for White if the P @d5 can give way, so may go for this R-sac, as an initial line:|
26.Bd5+ and starts the K hunt
IF (A) 26........Kf8
IF (B) 26........ Kh8/g7
27.Nxg4 dis+ Kf8
28.Re8 .....etc will get back later....
|Apr-19-15|| ||diagonalley: wow... what an electric position!... i "guessed" at 25.P-K6 but could not fully justify it... fabulous foresight on the part of taimanov... masterly.|
|Apr-19-15|| ||kamagong24: chessgames does not have games played in the Manila Olympiad?|
|Apr-19-15|| ||hadi706: خیلی بازی جالبیه از تایمانوو|
|Apr-19-15|| ||morfishine: <Richard Taylor> Literally what I was going to post|
|Apr-19-15|| ||mistreaver: Sunday. White to play. 25.? Insane.
This is a crazy looking position with basically two ideas for white -
sacrifice of the e2 rook for knight on g4 and push of d5.
But what is the correct move order?
Let's try with:
Now black has two alternatives
A) 25 ... Bxe2
26 Nf6+ Kf7
27 d6 Bxd1
28 Bd5+ Kf8
29 Nxh7 mate
Ok, i went deliberately on f7 in this variation. Let's try with king on f8.
25 ... Bxe2
26 Nf6+ Kf8
and now white isn't in time.
Ok let's shift the move order then
25 ... Bxe2
26 Bd5+ Kf8
27 Nf6 Rd8
28 Nxh7+ Ke8
And i think white is better here, although i could have reached this position earlier as well.
B) 25 ... Rxe2
I think here it is more precise since knight on g4 covers f2
27 Bxa8 Bc8
And i think in the end white is better.
However i am getting bamboozled here with all the possibilities, so i will terminate here.
Time to check and see how it really went.
Hmm, first i have to say that 24... Ba6 is losing here, but after 24... Nxe5 25 Rxe5 nothing bad for black is apparent.
Secondary, Nxg4 is wrong move, because as i said
25 Nxg4 Rxe2
26 d6 Rd8! (not primitivy Rxb2)
and black is all out of danger and probably even better.
25 Nxg4 Bxe2
26 Nf6 Kf7
27 d6 Bxd1
doesn't lose because black has
and he even wins.
The game continuation is beautifull, problematic and very efficient.
I should have tried better, but it is some comfort that strong grandmaster like Taimanov also failed to notice those nuances over the board.
|Apr-19-15|| ||patzer2: I'm surprised Taimanov's excellent game analysis doesn't mention Black's decisive mistake <24...Ba6?> |
Instead, Black can hold an equal position with 24... Nxe5 25. Rxe5 Bg4 26. Rde1 Rf8 = to (-0.39 @ 29 depth, Deep Fritz 14).
P.S.: Got today's initial Sunday puzzle move <25. d6!> but missed the decisive follow-up <26. Nd7!!>
|Apr-19-15|| ||Penguincw: The moves I was hoping black would play are 25.d6 Bxe2 26.Bd5+ Kh8 27.Nxg6# 1-0.|
|Apr-19-15|| ||Jimfromprovidence: I saw 25 d6 (with the devestating threat of 26 Bd5+). |
As a defense I looked at 25...Nxe5 26 Rxe5 Rxe5 27 Bxe5 (27 Bxa8 looks good as well)
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Material is even but black's rook is en prise. Play continues with 27...Rd8 28 d7 Bb5 29 Bh3
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Here white's versatile dark bishop threatens both 30 Bf6 or Bc7 and that is the key. One line could go 29...Kf7 30 Bc7 Ba4 31 Rd2.
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Black has either 31..Bxd7 or 31...Be7 and both lose material.
|Apr-19-15|| ||agb2002: The material is identical.
Black threatens 25... Bxe2 and 25... Bxf2+ 26.Rxf2 Nxe5.
The first idea that comes to mind is 25.d6, trying to exploit the airy position of the black king and touching the rook on a8:
A) 25... Bxe2 26.Bd5+ Kg7 (26... Kf8 27.Nd7#; 26... Kh8 27.Nxg6#) 27.Nxg4+ Kf8 28.Nf6
A.1) 28... Bxd1 29.Nd7# or 29.Nxh7#.
A.2) 28... Bxd6 29.Nxh7+ (29.Nxe8 Rxe8, but not 29... Bxd1 30.Bxa8 Kxe8 31.Bd5 + - B vs P]) 29... Ke7 30.Re1
A.2.a) 30... Kd8 31.Bxa8 + - [N].
A.2.b) 30... Rac8 31.Rxe2+ with the better ending [N+B vs R].
A.2.c) 30... Kd7 31.Bxa8 as in A.2.a (31... Rxa8 32.Rxe2).
A.3) 28... Red8 29.Re1
A.3.a) 29... Ba6 (or to any other square) 30.Nxh7#.
A.3.b) 29... Bxd6 30.Rxe2 and the double threat 31.Bxa8 and 31.Nxh7# seems to win.
A.4) 28... Rec8 29.Nxh7+ Ke8 30.Re1 Rc2 31.Bxa8 Bb4 (31... Rxb2 32.Bf3 + - [N]) 32.Bc6+ Kf7 (32... Rxc6 33.Rxe2 + -; 32... Kd8 33.Bf6+ Kc8 34.d7+ wins) 33.Ng5+ Kf8 34.Bf6 looks winning (34... Bxe1 35.d7 Rd2 36.d8=Q+ Rxd8 37.Bxd8 + - [N]).
B) 25... Bxd6 26.Nxg4 Bxe2 27.Nh6+ Kf8 28.Rxd6 looks very good for White.
C) 25... Bxf2+ 26.Rxf2 Nxf2 (26... Nxe5 27.Bxa8) 27.Kxf2 and the d-pawn gives White a won ending.
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|Apr-19-15|| ||offramp: Cool. We're meant to find this in ten minutes after getting out of bed on a Sunday.|
|Apr-19-15|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: I never even considered the game defense, because I already failed to find a win after ... Bxd6.|
|Apr-20-15|| ||stst: A late and quick response:
26.RxN R xR
White is up in material... time to check
|Apr-20-15|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Seven years ago, the position completely stumped me (check the kibitzing of Feb-04-07). Last night, on the bus going home from a night of drinking, I solved the puzzle immediately without recognizing it. Clearly, White is in serious trouble and must look for desperate moves. Makes me wonder--in my playing career, I arrived at tournament halls totally drunk on three occasions to play a game. I won all three games. Perhaps that explains why I never became a Grandmaster; not enough beer.|
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