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|Aug-25-13|| ||DrAttitude: Incredible! Absolutely Incredible! Thanks for this puzzle and all the comments. Nezhmetdinov vs Lusikal, 1951 Move 13.?? I am glad that Nemzhmetdinov existed. In the universe where reincarnation exists he is now playing Fisher Random Chess and its Current Champion. Long live the beauty of chess!|
|Aug-25-13|| ||Jimfromprovidence: <agb2002> <The only option I can find is 13.Qb3 Qxa1 (13... Qxb3 14.Bxd7+) 14.Bb2 Qb1 15.Bxh8> |
I got this line as well but after studying the text line and seeing that it is so vastly superior that on a pass/fail basis I would give myself a fail.
Black's best chance for counterplay instead of 16...e6 is likely 16...Qd1+?!
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Then after 17 Qxd1 Bxc6 18 Qb3, white is set up to do some serious damage.
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|Aug-25-13|| ||mistreaver: Sunday. White to play. 13.? Insane.
I remember seing this position somewhere. Maybe in Tal's Winning combinations.
Unfortunately i don't remember the exact move order. I just remember that both rooks were sacrificed.
The idea is to get the knight to e5. But black has Qf6 at his disposal.
Beautiful game by Nezhemdtinov, was not even close.
Is the move. White covers the king from the side check and gains the tempo by attacking the queen
Black has some options:
A) The greedy one:
14 Nf3 and now:
15 Ne5 is probably just winning
15 Bxd7+ Rxd7
16 R(either) d1
and white wins
B) The not so greedy one:
and i don't see a solution here.
Time to see how the game went.
Wow 13 Qb3. Really counter intuitive one. The point is that after 13... Qxb3 14 Bxd7+ Rxd7 15 axb3 white has a winning endgame with the piece up. Really astounding game
|Aug-25-13|| ||patzer2: I wonder if this game reflects some prior opening study or analysis on the part of Nezhmetdinov.|
Otherwise, I'm astounded he found the extremely difficult tactical shot 13. Qb3!! and its precise follow-up during simultaneous play.
The comments by <The Alchemist> at Yusupov vs R Morenz, 1981 suggest it's possible GM Artur Yusupov, 30 years after this game, might have used his previous knowledge of 13. Qb3!! to duplicate the win here.
Perhaps both Nezhmetdinov and Yusupov had studied this line before, or maybe they were both geniuses at tactical calculation. Either way, I'm impressed!
|Aug-25-13|| ||kabirbel: Qb3 is a good move. An insane puzzle.|
|Aug-25-13|| ||scormus: Wonderful play, a Nez special! Glad I didn't try to solve it. |
On the odd occasions I try predict a Nez combo I always hope to find it, but I don't really expect to.
|Aug-25-13|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: another position I know! (This time from one of Dvoretsky's books.) Confound it <cg.com>|
|Aug-25-13|| ||bubuli55: 13. Qb3 maybe the only move to keep a piece up.
If 13. Rb1 Qd3+ 14. Kxd3 Bxc6+ 15. Ke2 Bxa5 and Black is a pawn up.
If 13. Bxd7+ Rxd7 14. Rb1 Qd3+ 15. Ke1 Qxb1 and Black is quality up.
So if not for an insane move 13. Qb3, Black may have gotten away with 7... Nc6 :)
I should check on other's analysis
|Aug-25-13|| ||jancotianno: I wasn't even close with this one. Nezhmetdinov combinations are so complicated.|
|Aug-25-13|| ||agb2002: <patzer2>, <Jimfromprovidence> Actually, I saw Nf3 but I tried to make it work at move 13th. I failed and somehow I discarded that move in the rest of my line. Then, I noticed that I could save the bishop and thought that this detail was what made this puzzle insane. Wrong, again. According to <Jim> 15.Nf3 is much better than 15.Bxh8 and I probably would have seen it in a real game but I was so happy with 20.g4...|
|Aug-25-13|| ||agb2002: According to chessmetrics.com, Nezhmetdinov reached world #21 in September 1954 (http://chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/Play...). It is difficult to believe that he never qualified for GM.|
|Aug-25-13|| ||OhioChessFan: <paris: Still, Nezh's combos do seem 'different' than Tal's but I can't put my finger on the difference.>|
I think so too. I think the difference might be when you get to the end of Nez' combinations, you see the logic all the way through and you're pretty sure the defender didn't mess up. When you get to the end of Tal, you wonder if they traded blunders.
|Aug-25-13|| ||Jimfromprovidence: Yes, 15 Nf3 is worth at least a rook more than 15 Bxh8.|
I checked out his player page and it referred me to this mind-blowing affair.
Polugaevsky vs Nezhmetdinov, 1958
|Aug-25-13|| ||perfidious: Returning to this old chestnut inspired recollections of a modern attacking effort where White put both rooks on offer: Svidler vs J Yedidia, 1995.|
|Aug-25-13|| ||Vincenze: I like 13. Rb1|
|Aug-25-13|| ||dark.horse: yeah - Nezhmetdinov is the man.|
|Aug-25-13|| ||khense: Seems like white had more than one winning line after the key move - but the game as it was played is beautiful.|
|Aug-25-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <mistreaver: Sunday. White to play. 13.? Insane.
I remember seing this position somewhere. Maybe in Tal's Winning combinations. Unfortunately i don't remember the exact move order. I just remember that both rooks were sacrificed. The idea is to get the knight to e5. But black has Qf6 at his disposal. Beautiful game by Nezhemdtinov, was not even close.
Is the move. White covers the king from the side check and gains the tempo by attacking the queen Black has some options:>
Black also has 13. ...Qxd2, and if 14. Kxd2, Bxc6, and Black comes out a piece ahead.
|Aug-26-13|| ||patcheck: Black is a pawn up.
Without time to analyze deeply, just some commentary and variations.
I think that the first move is 13. Nf3 (13. Rb1 Qd4 and I dont see a clear winning line for white)With two possible answers I think : 13.
Qxa1 or 13.
Qxa1 14. Re1 Bg7 (14.
e6 or e5 15. Bxd7+ Ke7 16. Qg5 f6 17. Rxa1 and white is better) 15. Rxd7 Rxd7 16. Bxd7+ Kf8 [16.
Kd8 17. Qc6 e6 (probably better than 17.
e5 providing the black queen to get back in e5 or f6) 18. Bf4 (for instance) and I think white should win] 17. Qc6 could be the principle of a winning line
Qb4 14. Bxd7+ Rxd7 15. Qxb4 (15. Qc6 Qc4+ and there is at least perpetual check for black) cxb4 16. Bb2 Rg8 (seems better than 16.
f6 17. e5) and white could follow with moves like Ne5 Rc1 Rd1 Nc6 with the idea for instance of mating black on the eight rank.
So, although I didnt meet the solution, I propose 13. Nf3 as first move for white.
|Aug-26-13|| ||patcheck: Totally missed it. I didn't see white was a piece up.|
|Aug-26-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <patcheck>: 13. Nf3 was my first instinct as well, but Black can secure at least a draw with 13. ...Qd3! 14. Ke1 (or 14. Kxd3?, Bxc6 and Black goes into the endgame two pawns up), Bg7 15. e5, O-O 16. Bb2, Bxc6 17. Qxc6, Rd5 Δ 18. ...Qe4 followed by 19. ...Rd1.|
Unfortunately, I can't say I found the key move either. I was still trying to make 13. Be3 work when I gave it up as a bad job. :-S
|Aug-07-15|| ||tivrfoa: are you kidding me??? another master piece by Nezh. and this wasn't game of the day yet!! wow|
|Aug-08-15|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Another way to achieve immortality--play Black vs. Nezhmetdinov.|
|Aug-08-15|| ||morfishine: Nezhmetdinov is one of my absolute favorite players. But here, White to move 13 is not that insane since Nez is already a piece up|
|Aug-11-17|| ||ughaibu: Are there any other games that finish with a mate which is discovered check by a piece of the victim's?|
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