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Vladislav Ivanovich Tkachiev vs Vladimir Potkin
"Tkach Me if you Can" (game of the day Dec-22-2012)
European Individual Championship (2007), Dresden GER, rd 6, Apr-08
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Panov Attack. Main Line (E54)  ·  1-0
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Apr-14-07  yunis: constrict him and smashed him toughly!
Aug-06-12  LoveThatJoker: GOTD: Tkach Me If You Can

LTJ

Dec-22-12  The Last Straw: Nice one, <LoveThatJoker>!

How come all of my puns fail? ;-(

Dec-22-12
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  horncabbage: Last Straw: You just aren't a pun gent.
Dec-22-12  DanielBryant: Would 30...Qxg4 offer more resistance?
Dec-22-12  rilkefan: 30...Qxg4 31.Qxf6+ looks unpleasant.

Nice game. Though I dunno what convinced black to play the suicidal ...g4.

Dec-22-12  12.12.12: and i thought today's GOTD would have a theme about the day after the end of the world cr@p.
Dec-22-12  ounos: <rilkefan> what else? 23. ...Qe4 perhaps?

Another little point: if 20. ...Ke8, 21. c5 is particularly tricky to meet

Dec-22-12  Abdel Irada: An odd little notion: Could Black have tried 23. ...Qc5, taking advantage of the pin against d1? After 24. Qc2, Qf5 looks fairly safe.

Of course, Black's position is probably already fatally compromised, but surely this would have been preferable to the hopeless text.

Dec-22-12  Kikoman: Wow! What a game. The DSB of Black is dead! 32. Qc6 and mate is inevitable.


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Dec-22-12
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  Garech: Great game, nice to see pawn-grabbing in the opening punished.

13...Kf8 may have been more prudent.

25...Qg5 is definitely preferable to f6? - although white still has an edge.

30...Qxg4!? came to mind:


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if only there wasn't 31.Qxf6+ and mate to follow next move.

It's starting to look a lot like Christmas!

-Garech

Dec-22-12  shakman: This is Caro Kann.... not Nimzo Indian
Dec-22-12
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  PawnSac: yup.
Panov-Botvinnik Attack

i wonder how it got mislabeled?? o well

Dec-22-12  Razgriz: Black wasn't able to castle and white makes him pay dearly.
Dec-22-12  ferrabraz: Abdel Irada: An odd little notion: Could Black have tried 23. ...Qc5, taking advantage of the pin against d1? After 24. Qc2, Qf5 looks fairly safe.

Maybe White could try 24. Rd5!? Qc4 (24...Rd6 25. Qc2!) 25. Rg5! Kg5 26. Qg7 and who knows?

Dec-22-12  rilkefan: So stockfish says that instead of 23...g4, just asking for h3/Rg3 and 1-0, black had 23...e5, with equality (and actually white has to play very precisely to keep the balance, as ...f6 is very solid and black's up a pawn not to mention a4/c4; - 24.Re3 for example is -1).
Dec-22-12
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  ChemMac: <shakman> <PawnSac> A Panov-Botvinnik that transposed into a book Nimzo-Indian position. Black c6 and d5; white d4, e4 and ed; Black cd equals White d4 and e3; Black d5. c5 and cd; White ed. It's both!
Dec-22-12  Refused: hum, I think black's last hope was trying to exchange queens with likesay 25...Qf6 or with the insertion of 25...Qg5 and then 26...Qf6
It's giving up the extra pawn while still suffering from an inferior position but with the Queens on the board, it's just a matter of time before that exposed king will fall.
Dec-22-12  rilkefan: By the way, to answer my own question above, at move 23 black has to parry the threat of Rf3/Qf6; either pawn move allows the queen to leave the f file while maintaining control of f6.
Dec-23-12  Abdel Irada: <shakman: This is Caro Kann.... not Nimzo Indian>

<PawnSac: yup.
Panov-Botvinnik Attack

i wonder how it got mislabeled?? o well>

This question comes up frequently. It turns out that the Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik and the Nimzo-Indian Panov Attack often transpose into one another. (Bear in mind that it makes no difference whether White exchanges e-pawn for c-pawn by taking on d5 in the Caro-Kann or Black exchanges c- for e- on d4 in the Nimzo; the resulting position is the same.)

I begin to think <chessgames.com> would help end a lot of confusion by "officially" pointing this out somewhere.

Dec-25-12
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  Garech: <Abdel Irada>

I don't believe there is a 'Panov attack' in the Nimzo-Indian - could you give the move order?

Cheers,

-Garech

Dec-26-12  Abdel Irada: <Garech>: Here it is according to ChessTempo.com: <1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 c5 5. Nf3 cxd4 6. exd4 d5> (http://chesstempo.com/gamedb/openin...).

Note that this leads to the following position:


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Now, following the Caro-Kann Panov-Botvinnik, there is a variation that proceeds: <1. e4, c6 2. d4, d5 3. exd5, cxd5 4. c4, e6 5. Nf3, Nf6 6. Nc3, Bb4>.

This in turn produces the following position:


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As you can see, this is at least one variation in which the openings do transpose into one another. And this is why opening nomenclature remains somewhat subjective: One man's Caro-Kann may well be another man's Nimzo-Indian.

Dec-26-12
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  perfidious: In the distant past, I even arrived at the Caro-Kann, Panov as White a time or three via the anti-Benoni move-order 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.e3 cxd4 4.exd4 d5 5.Nc3 e6. After 6.Nf3 Bb4, a slightly familiar position arises.
Dec-28-12
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  kevin86: mate...coming soon.
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