|Jun-20-07|| ||pawnofdoom: why doesn't black play 7. ... gxh4|
|Jun-20-07|| ||Phony Benoni: The whole score looks a little strange. Why does White play Bh4 before ...h6? Could 6...g5 actually be 6...c5?|
Finegold usually posts his games on his blog, so I'll check there the next few days and see if this can be cleared up.
|Jun-20-07|| ||WannaBe: The moves from National Open came from MonRoi, or rather, the players in are issued a MonRoi and asked to record their moves/score there...|
|Jun-20-07|| ||Phony Benoni: <WannaBe> I'm a little fuzzy on how the MonRoi works. Do the players themselves enter the moves as the game goes on, much the same as they would fill out a physical scoresheet? If so, I'd say this is more likely a case of "garbage in, garbage out" than a pre-arranged blunderfest.|
|Jun-20-07|| ||WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> Yes, the players are issued a MonRoi, they are asked to entered the move after it is played on the board (Hence the new USCF recording a move before/after the physical move is played rule).|
This is then transmitted wireless(ly) back to the server, and then put on the MonRoi's web-site. I noticed that V. Korchnoi did not use one...
The DGT board is different, it recognizes the pieces (Each piece have an embedded chip) and the sensors are in the board, and the moves are then transmitted (via wire) to the computer and then broadcasted.
|Jun-20-07|| ||Phony Benoni: <WannaBe> Thanks for the information. One last detail about the Monroi: is a move entered by using a keyboard (akin to writing it down on a scoresheet), or by moving a piece on a separate board in the MonRoi (something like physically entering the game into a database)?|
|Jun-20-07|| ||WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> A MonRoi is like a PDA (Personal Digital Assistant) and about the same size, about 4 inches in width and 6 inches in height, about 1/2 inch thick. |
You enter the move with a stylus, just/much like a PDA. The board/pieces are displayed, you use the stylus, touch/click on the piece you want to move, then the destination. Much like making a move in the corrsp. chess that we played on-line. (Which you won, if my memory isn't too hazy =)
And the MonRoi device have a memory chip, which can hold up to something like 400 games played, you can replay the games, erase, download to a computer, etc...
I don't own one, but <DrDum> does, the first time we saw one, was at 2006 National Open, when we played Ms. Susan Polgar in a simul, upon which, <DrDum> promptly went out and bought one. (He's horrible at keeping manual score, often mistakes g/f/h and 1 with 8 and often forget to write down Nbd2 or Red1, etc...)
But lately, I've seen more players with one... It does keep score easier, as long as you remember to move first, then enter them. Otherwise USCF rule will be enforced! =)
|Jun-21-07|| ||Phony Benoni: <WannaBe< Ah, now I've got the idea! Thanks for your patience.|
By the way, <DrDum> might like to know that he is not alone. I've played through maybe 50,000 physical scoresheets in my life, and I can assure you that perfect scoresheets are rare. Most of the time either the moves are inaccurate, or the handwriting is illegible.
So the MonRoi sounds very good to me; it would eliminate (or greatly reduce) both of those problems. My only fear is that, if a mistake somehow crept in, people would not believe it was a mistake just because the score was kept on an "error-free" computer.
By the way, Ben Finegold is one player who doesn't need a MonRoi; his handwritten scores are generally both accurate and legible.
|Jun-21-07|| ||micartouse: Regarding the move 4. Bh4 without provocation, it's not unthinkable that the move was actually the one played. I remember IM Finegold once criticizing a player for making an ... h6 move (I think it was Zatonskih) in a similar position because he said the bishop is usually safer on h4 anyway. So maybe he just likes it there! He has all those little idiosyncrasies.|
But then again, some of the score is clearly messed up so the whole score is suspect.
|Jun-21-07|| ||micartouse: This is the game I'm referring to btw. I think he didn't like ... h6 in his notes:|
B Finegold vs A Zatonskih, 2006
|Jun-21-07|| ||Marmot PFL: Looks like a prearranged draw so the moves are irrelevant.|
|Jun-22-07|| ||savagerules: It's hard to take chess tournaments seriously when you get joke games like this. Finegold is always trying to get donations from donors so he can play in tournaments and this is what he does???|
|Jul-15-07|| ||Phony Benoni: Just for the record, here is the game score that Finegold gives on his blog:|
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Nf3 d6 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 g5 7.Bg3 Nh5 8.e3 ½-½
|Aug-17-07|| ||SniperOnKN2: somebody wanted to get to the buffet line for the 7.99 lunch lol...|