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The World vs Gert Jan Timmerman
"Dead to the World" (game of the day Aug-12-08)
Chessgames Challenge (2007)  ·  Dutch Defense: Semi-Leningrad Variation (A88)  ·  1-0
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  Tabanus: Rybka 2.3.2a 27-ply

1. (0.72): 30.Bd3 Nf6 31.b4 Rxb4
2. (0.49): 30.b4 axb4 31.a5 Rb7

So 30.b4 became no. 1 at 28-ply or more.

Jul-05-09  Thorsson: I'd be interested to see Rybka 3's in depth analysis of 30.b4.
Jul-05-09  Hugin: I strongly belive the analysis showed if Timmerman had not played 36..Rc7? but 36..Kf6 he would still be able to hold a draw...Of course it was deep positional analysis that revelead that.
Jul-07-09  whatthefat: <imag>

Fascinating work! I'll certainly take it in to account when I complete my post-mortem of this game.

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  The Chess Express: I believe that the only way for The World Team to be seriously challenged is for another world champion to play us. Kasparov was able to prevail, and it will probably take a top 5 player to have a chance of beating us.
May-25-10  TheaN: <The Chess Express>

We were playing a World Champion here. And in the correct category, correspondence. When it comes to that, I would have given Timmerman better odds than Anand for this game.

Jun-17-10  Hugin: The World vs Gert Jan Timmerman

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36. - Kf6
(!King is activated..much better than 36..Rc7? as in the game.)

37.Rc5 Ke7 38.Rxa5 Nc2 39.Kf2 Rb3 40.Ra7+ Kd6 41.Rxh7 Nxe3 42.Rg1 d4 43.Rh6

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A:43. - Rb2+
44.Kg3 Kd5 45.Rxg6 d3 46.Rg8 d2 47.Rd8+ Kc4 48.g5 Nf5+ 49.Kg4 Ne3+ 50.Kg3 Nf5+ Draw.

B. 43.- Kd5 44.Rxg6 Rb2+ 45.Kg3 d3 46.Rg8 d2 47.a5 Kd4 48.a6 Ra2 49.f5 Nd5 50.g5 Rxa6 51.f6 Ra3+ 52.Kf2 Rc3 53.Ra8 Rc1 54.Ra1 Rxg1 55.Rxg1 Kd3 56.f7 e3+ 57.Kf3 e2 58.f8Q e1Q 59.Qf5+ Kd4 60.Qb1 Qe3+ 61.Kg4 Qe6+ 62.Kh4 Ne3 63.Kh5 Qh3+ 64.Kg6 Qxh2 65.Qa1+ Ke4 66.Qa4+ Kd3 67.Qa6+ Nc4 68.Qa1 Qf4 69.Kh7 Qc7+ 70.Kh6 Qf4 71.Kh7 Qf7+ 72.Kh6 Qf8+ 73.Kh7 Qe7+ 74.Kh6 Ne3 75.Qa6+ Ke4 76.Qxc6+ Kf4 77.Qa4+ Kf3 78.Qc6+ Ke2 79.Kg6 Qd8 80.Qe6 Qd3+ 81.Kg7 Kf2 82.Ra1 Ke2 83.Rh1 Qd4+ 84.Kh7 Qa7+ 85.Kg6 Qb8 86.Ra1 Qc7 87.Qa6+ Kf2 88.Qd3 Qc6+ 89.Kh7 Qb7+ 90.Kg8 Qc8+ 91.Kg7 Qb7+ 92.Kh6 Qb2 93.Kh7 Qb7+ Draw

Sep-03-10  dumbgai: 31. b4 is a wicked cool move to break the position open. Who first came up with that idea (please don't tell me Rybka)?
Oct-22-10  Titicamara: 32. Bxe4!!
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  ajile: 14.c5 was also a beautiful move that works with the unconventional earlier 10.Qa3.
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  YouRang: Perhaps the most hotly debated move was our 25th, where we ended up picking <25.f3> by a handful of votes.

Just for laughs, I thought I'd let a modern engine do a deep analysis on that position:

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Houdini_15_x64 @ 32 ply:
+0.39 25.f4 a4 26.Bxe4 fxe4 27.a3 Kf6 28.Rc5
+0.33 25.e3 a4 26.a3 Rb6 27.Rc2 Re6 28.Nd7
+0.29 25.f3 Ng5 26.Bf1 a4 27.e3 Rb6 28.Rc2
+0.27 25.Bxe4 fxe4 26.Rc5 a4 27.Rd2 Na7 28.f3
+0.27 25.Rc2 a4 26.a3 Re6 27.f4 Nf6 28.Bf3
+0.24 25.Bf1 Rb6 26.f3 Kf6 27.Nd3 Ng5 28.b3

BTW, as we suspected during the game, it appears Timmerman's best reply to <25.f3> was 25...Ng5, which lead to a very drawish game. He may have given us a little break by playing <25...Nf6> instead.

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  YouRang: Another move I thought I'd ask Houdini to look at was our 38th. Here, we made a late decision to play <38.h4>, which many of us think was a critical move toward our success.

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Houdini_15_x64 @ 34 ply:
+0.33 38.h4 Kf6 39.Rf1 Ke7 40.f5 Kd6 41.Rcc1
+0.31 38.Kg2 Kf6 39.Rf1 Ra6 40.f5 Nd3 41.fxg6+
+0.29 38.Rf1 Ra6 39.Rcc1 Nd3 40.Rb1 Nb4 41.Rfc1
+0.28 38.h3 Kf6 39.Rf1 Ra6 40.Rcc1 Nd3 41.Rb1
+0.20 38.Rc3 Rc7 39.Rdc1 Kf6 40.Rc5 Ra7 41.Rxc6+
+0.19 38.Rdc1 Ra6 39.g5 Kf7 40.h4 Ke7 41.R5c3

Aug-23-11  splatty: Correspondence chess is the biggest piece of pants in the world; everyone can just use Rybka or whatever to play all their moves; what a piece of crap*.
Aug-23-11  Everyone: uses his own brain! You know, <splatty>?
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  Sneaky: If that's the case splatty, get yourself a copy of "rybka or whatever" and go dominate the correspondence world. You'll be world champion overnight, just play whatever the computer tells you to. Simple as that.
Aug-23-11  Kolyas: Sure <splatty> that's how we all play CC. Cuts down on the thinking. More time for drinking.

I will probably be world champion next year. Long live the King! King Kolyas the first and last.

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Engines revving on Dutch B-52 bombers ...

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  truefriends: Naka played 11... c5 against Aronian @Tata2012, round 2

What did we have planned after that?!

Jan-16-12  eddazeitz: <truefriends>
Go back to page 560-580!
Jul-13-12  kangaroo13: i know found out about this game
Jul-31-12  The Last Straw: O my god! d4 was the first move????
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  YouRang: It's the general view that the World Team won this with the sequence <38.h4! Ra6 39.Rcc1 Kf6 40.Rf1!>.

However, if Timmerman had foreseen the strength of 40.Rf1 (he admitted that he didn't), he might have tried to defend with <39...Nd3!?> instead of 39...Kf6. To this, white's best reply is <40.Rb1>, and then white has <40...Nb4!?>

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This N maneuver nicely closes off the b-file while the N is protected by Pa5, and the N protects Pc5. Black can't afford to have any white rook running around on black's side of the board.


Houdini_4_x64B @ 34 ply:
+0.71 41...Kf6 42.Kh2
+0.71 41...Ra8 42.Kg2 Kf6 43.Kg3 h5 44.Rc3 Ra6
+0.98 41...Kf7 42.Kg2 Ra8 43.Kg3 h5 44.Rc3 Rb8
+0.95 41...Ra7 42.Kg2 Kf6 43.Rc3 h5 44.Kh2 hxg4
+1.08 41...Kh8 42.Kg2 Kg7 43.Kg3 h5

Further analysis shows that 41...Kf6 and 41...Ra8 transpose.

<41...Kf6 42.Kg2>

Houdini_4_x64B @ 29 ply:
+0.71 42...Ra7 43.Kg3 h5 44.Rc3 Ra6 45.Rbc1
+0.71 42...Ra8 43.Kg3 h5 44.Rc3 Ra6 45.Rbc1
+1.14 42...Kf7 43.Kg3 Kg7 44.Rc3 Ra8 45.Rf1 Ra6

Again, 42...Ra8 and 42...Ra8 transpose.

<42...Ra8 43.Kg3>

Houdini_4_x64B @ 26 ply:
+0.71 43...h5 44.Rc3 Ra6 45.Rg1 Rb6 46.Rcc1 Ke7
+1.41 43...Ke6 44.h5 Rf8 45.Rc5 Ra8 46.hxg6 hxg6

<43...h5 44.Rc3>

Houdini_4_x64B @ 31 ply:
+0.93 44...Ra6 45.Rg1 hxg4 46.Kxg4 Nd3 47.Rb3 Nb4
+1.24 44...Rb8 45.Rf1 hxg4 46.Kxg4 Rc8 47.Rc5 Ke6

<44...Ra6 45.Rg1!>

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Houdini_4_x64B @ 34 ply:
+1.10 45...Rb6 46.Rcc1 Rb8 47.Rc5 hxg4 48.Rb1 Ra8
+1.54 45...Nd3 46.Rb3 Nb4 47.gxh5 gxh5 48.Kh3 c5

So, it appears unlikely that Timmerman could have saved himself with the 39...Nd3 line either.

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  offramp: <splatty: Correspondence chess is the biggest piece of pants in the world; everyone can just use Rybka or whatever to play all their moves; what a piece of crap...>

Too right! But as Nigel Short once pointed out, Correspondence players in general used to play to a very low standard. Corres chess was very non-memorable. It is finished now, I suppose, owing to computers.

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  perfidious: <Everyone: uses his own brain! You know, <splatty>?>

<N0B0DY> does that.

Pity that computers have all but rendered CC a thing of the past, as noted by <offramp>.

Feb-01-15  N0B0DY: <perfidious: <N0B0DY> does that.> That's it to a T.
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