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| cheski: <RandomVisitor: 18...Nxd5 19.exd5 b3> If only Davor had played 18...Nxd5. Danach ist alles gut. Actually, I reckon Black needs to postpone ...b3 to move 20...b3, and get his Knight on =c4= first. I think as a puzzle this was a bit flakey, seeing that 21...exd5 threw the whole thing off. But as a game it is fascinating.
("He who gets his blow in fust...")
18...Nxd5 19.exd5 Nc4 20.Qe1 (forced) and now the attack with 20...b3 21.axb axb 22. Nxb3 (better than cxb3?) ..Bxb2 23.hxg6 or probably better to get back to base with 23.Bc1..* Absolutely lovely game after a different move 18...for Black. |
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| PAWNTOEFOUR: pry open the h file............sack,sack.......MATE |
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| Aug-11-07 |
| dghins: <Klas Recke> Check out Anand-Kasparov, PCA World Championship 13,1995. |
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| Marmot PFL: <Klas Recke> A critical point is move 16...a4 where Nxh5 seems much more reliable. Hwere are some games where black succeeds (if a draw with Short can still be considered a success). L Cernousek vs E Pinter, 2003
Shabalov vs L Basin, 1989
Short vs Kiril Georgiev, 1990 |
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| Klas Recke: Thanks for the suggestions, seems you got to have nerves of steele to play the dragon. |
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| willyfly: White is up a  and two of them are on the h-file which I think is the solution for todays puzzle. I'm not so sure about Black's 21st move but here's what I got.20 h7+  xh7 21 h5 gxh5 22  xh5+ g6 23 h6+ g7 24  xf6+ g8 25 xh8# If this is it then it will be the first Saturday puzzle I've solved. Let's look. -----
no cigar - I'll return the prize money - but in the event of 21...something else - I would have played 22 hxg6+ I think my greatest weakness in Chess is that I have trouble finding my opponent's best move |
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| beginner64: What happens if 21.. Bg7.
In that case neither Rh6 nor Rh8 work out as planned.Still, white can continue:
22. hxg6 Kg8 (not Kxg6 23. Rdg1 with multiple threats) Not so clear what can be white's threat after that. |
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| JG27Pyth: Although it was pretty straightforward to see that the H file was where the action was... I found it very difficult to calculate the winning combination into the mating net. Whites moves 23, and 24 were much less than obvious to me. That Black played 21. exd5 makes me think black didn't see it either, although I'm not sure what black's best 21. move would be. It's also quite instructive to me to see that black's 24... Qxf6 cannot defend mate after 25.Qh6 ... Quite a good, very difficult puzzle IMO.
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| DaveyL: <Marmot> I'd say a draw with Short is a success. I mean, Petrosian couldn't manage it... |
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| Fezzik: I pretty much did the same thing as <dzechiel> today. I saw the main lines and *felt* rather than *proved* that it was winning. There are indeed a lot of subvariations, but nothing looks like it changes the basic outline and evaluation of the position. |
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| beginner64: Any response to my post above regarding 21 .. Bg7 ?
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| patzer2: With 20. h7+! White peels open the h-file for a decisive attack on the weakened castled position, and also provides the solution to today's daily puzzle. |
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| beginner64: <patzer2: With 20. h7+! .. also provides the solution to today's daily puzzle.> This puzzle does not have a solution. My software does not show a clear win after 21 ..Bg7. I will try again at a higher setting. |
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| patzer2: <beginner64> Don't have access to a computer program at the moment, but 21...Bg7 22. hxg6+  looks good for White. |
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| fm avari viraf: It is aptly said, that if you want to slain the Dragon, just open up the g & h-file & the rest pieces will take care. The g-file is already opened so one has to go for the h-file. Thus 20.h7+ Kxh7 21.h5 exd5 22.hxg6+ Kg8 [ even ...Kxg6 will not survive ] 23.Rxh8+ Kxh8 24.Bxf6+ Qxf6 25.Qh6+ Kg8 & 26.Qh7# |
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| RandomVisitor: <beginner64>21...Bg7 22.hxg6+ Kg8 [22...Kxg6 23.Nf4+ Kxg5 24.Nfxe6+ Kg6 25.Qg5#] 23.Bh6 exd5 24.Bxg7 fxg6 25.Nf4 Re8 26.Rh8+ Kf7 27.Bxf6 etc. other 23rd moves do not work for black:
2. (3.56): 23...Nxd5 24.Bxg7 Kxg7 25.Qh6+ Kf6 26.g7+ Ng6 27.gxf8Q Qxf8 28.Qxf8 Nxf8 29.exd5 Rxd5 30.c3 3. (3.75): 23...b3 24.Bxg7 bxa2+ 25.Bxa2 Kxg7 26.Qh6+ Kg8 27.Qh8# |
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| beginner64: <RandomVisitor:
23. ..exd5
other 23rd moves do not work for black
23..Nxd5
23..b2>
I see 23. ..fxg6.
That is 21..Bg7 22. hxg6+ Kg8 23. Bh6. fxg6.
It is funny to see so many masters celebrating finding the same "solution". White will likely eventually win, but there is no solution on this forum yet. |
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| RandomVisitor: <beginner64>After 21...Bg7 22.hxg6+ Kg8 23. Bh6 fxg6 20: Aleksander Sznapik - Davor Komljenovic, Biel 1987
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 2.3.2a mp up:
1.  (4.61): 24.Bxe6+ Bxe6 25.Nxe6 Nxf3 26.Qd3 Qe7 27.Bxg7 Qxe6 28.Bxf8 b3 29.axb3 2. (3.66): 24.Nxe6 Bxe6 25.Bxe6+ Nf7 26.Nd4 Nh5 27.Bxg7 Kxg7 28.Bf5 Kf6 29.Ne6 Qe7 30.Nxc5 3. (2.75): 24.Bxg7 Kxg7 25.Nf4 exd5 26.Nde6+ Bxe6 27.Nxe6+ Kg8 28.Nxd8 Rxd8 29.exd5 Nxf3 30.Qxb4 g5 |
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| Aug-11-07 |
| beginner64: <RandomVisitor>I agree with that analysis. From the given puzzle, with accurate moves from black, the shortest win for white takes at least 33 moves. Does your analysis concur with that? At the least, there is no 26 move mate as actually happened in the game. |
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| RandomVisitor: <beginner64>Well, that depends on how you define "shortest win". I agree that 21...Bg7 was better than 21...exd5??. Also, take a look at 21...Kg8. |
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| Aug-11-07 |
| King mega: yey i got the answer. nice combo. i love to do such things in my game. |
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| Aug-11-07 |
| Fezzik: <FM Avari Viraf> said, "It is aptly said, that if you want to slain the Dragon, just open up the g & h-file & the rest pieces will take care. The g-file is already opened so one has to go for the h-file. Thus 20.h7+ Kxh7 21.h5 exd5 22.hxg6+". Apparently he didn't actually consider 21...Bxg7. I wonder why both he and Komljevonic, a 2500+ player chose the inferior line of 21...ed5? |
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| LIFE Master AJ: Hmm, I got the initial idea pretty quickly, however I thought it disastrous to leave the Black King on the h-file. |
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| kevin86: Great finish! Double check is fantastic! |
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| LIFE Master AJ: I took a stab at annotating this one ...
(http://www.geocities.com/lifemaster...) |
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sac: 23.Rxh8+
