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| Mar-19-08 |
| fictionist: It's nice to see a fellow countryman being featured in cg.com's game of the day. This tournament was held in Cebu. :) |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| UdayanOwen: <rusich: i think Black could continue fighting because they had Rook and two bishops for their Queen.> How can this be true, when white will always have the two knights on the board to compete with the two bishops? In fact, the two knights are far stronger than the two bishops here, and with queen vs a rook sitting blocked on h8, and an inaedequately defended king, the game is completely over. At best, black can get only a rook for the queen. For example, 20...Qxf5 21.Nxf5. Now the knight can't be taken because of (21...exf5 22.Qb3+ Kh8 23.Nf7+ Kg8 24.Nh6++ Kh8 25.Qg8#). White's two knights are stronger than the two bishops in this position. Alternatively, black can try 20...Qe7 21.Rf7 Qxf7 22.Ngxf7, but again, he only has a rook for the queen, and white's knights and queens have a winning attack, starting with the threat 23.Nh6+ Kf8 (23...Kh8 24.Ndf7#) 24.Qf3+ Ke7 25.Qf7+ Kd8 26.Qxg7. |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| UdayanOwen: <Dindo: A] 20..... exf5 21. Qb3+ Be6 22. Qxe6+ Kh8 23. Ngf7+ Kg8 24. Nh6+ Kh8 25. Ndf7+ Qxf7 26. Nxf7+ Kg8 27.Nh6 + and mate next move.> Just realised there is a very minor correction needed here at the end of this line, since after 27.Nh6+ it is not mate next move but smothered mate in 2 with 27...Kh8 28.Qg8+ Rxg8 29.Nf7#. |
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Mar-19-08
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| zanshin: Oh no! <CG> made this a GOTD and not a puzzle! |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| moppa: Wow. I spent like 10 minutes just watching the final position. It longer than it should to find the smother-idea. |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| prinsallan: @Zanshin: A well-deserved game of the day. I also couldn't find the win for white until after I watched the posts, but then again, Im only an amateur :P |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| Samagonka: GOTD & Weekend puzzle in one. |
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Mar-19-08
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| Peligroso Patzer: <Kangaroo: The continuation <[after 20. ... exf5]> might be: <21. Qb3+ Kh8 22. Ndf7+ Kh8 23. Nh6++ <[double check!]> Kh8 24. Ngf7+> and Black will have to give up a queen for knight.> ... with mate to follow quickly, e.g., 24. ... Qxf7 25. Nxf7+ Kg8 26. Nh6+ Kh8 (26. ... Kf8 27. Qf7#) 27. Qg8#. |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| xrt999: . So? |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| Jim Bartle: This game is a candidate for shortest vs. longest names... |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| Sularus: <jim> nice observation, jim. in this case, length doesn't matter eh? =)
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| Mar-19-08 |
| Jim Bartle: Yes, but width? |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| GibGezr: Black should never have played 8...Nc7. Either Rb8, threatening to push the b pawn and, in case of Bxa6, occupying in advance the half-open b file, or just playing Bg4 and pinning/attacking white's kingside knight. I know, Nc7 looks ok OTB, but it's way too timid a move to tackle the Austrian Attack. |
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Mar-19-08
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| Jimfromprovidence: If you notice, black never activated all of his pieces. The queen rook and bishop did not move the whole game. I think 16...Bd7 would have been good for black, which both develops another piece and activates the queen rook. 
click for larger viewNow the rook is available to help repel the pressure white has lined up to unleash on black's kingside. |
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Mar-19-08
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| kevin86: The coming mate is very close to a smothered. However,white captures the queen with one knight and sets up mate with the queen aided by the other knight. Remove the black bishop at c8 and you would have a true smothered mate. |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| xrt999: < Kangaroo: The continuation might be: <21. Qb3+ Kh8 22. Ndf7+ Kh8 23. Nh6++ <[double check!]> Kh8 24. Ngf7+> and Black will have to give up a queen for knight.> < drmariogodrob: It's worse that that...it should still be mate after 22. Ngf7+ Qxf7 23. Nxf7+ Kg8> it doesnt matter which knight white moves- the end result is exactly the same, double check losing the queen. |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| chessmoron: <Jimfromprovidence> 17 Ng5!, threatening 18 Nxh7. Then 17…Bxe5 18 Rxe5 Rxf1+ 19 Bxf1 Qxd6 looks miserable, as 20 Nxh7! Kg7 (or 20…Kxh7 21 Rh5+) 21 Bd3 Ne7 22 Ng5 attacks relentlessly. |
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Mar-19-08
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| Jimfromprovidence: <chessmoron> <17 Ng5!, threatening 18 Nxh7. Then 17…Bxe5 18 Rxe5 Rxf1+ 19 Bxf1 Qxd6 looks miserable, as 20 Nxh7! Kg7 (or 20…Kxh7 21 Rh5+) 21 Bd3 Ne7 22 Ng5 attacks relentlessly.> In my initial post I attempted to find a way for black to better defend against white’s kingside buildup. The lack of development of black’s queenside bishop and rook fatally hurt black’s chances in this game. There are similarities with yesterday’s game of the day, where the losing side also failed to put all of his pieces into play. In your continuation, I think the line I put forward holds up very well. After your 22 Ng5 black follows with 22 …c4, below. 
click for larger viewThere’s not really much difference in the positions at this point. White should gain a pawn, but whether it’s enough to win remains to be seen. |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| porgue: <<Kangaroo: The continuation <[after 20. ... exf5]> might be: <21. Qb3+ Kh8 22. Ndf7+ Kh8 23. Nh6++ <[double check!]> Kh8 24. Ngf7+> and Black will have to give up a queen for knight.>
... with mate to follow quickly, e.g., 24. ... Qxf7 25. Nxf7+ Kg8 26. Nh6+ Kh8 (26. ... Kf8 27. Qf7#) 27. Qg8#.> What if Black Plays 20...qe7, does he still have a game? |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| DarthStapler: What a name for the other player |
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| Mar-19-08 |
| Le Petit Pion: If 20...Qe7, then 21. Rf7, yes? |
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| Mar-21-08 |
| malvar: Another continuation provided by Fritz 6 could be, 20...Bd7 21. Rxf8 Rxf8 22. Qd3 Rf4, 23. Qxh7+ Kf8, 24. g3 Rg4, 25. Qg6... it is hopeless for black. Mate in about 10 moves |
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| Mar-21-08 |
| jdc2: Fritz6 has the mate forced beginning after Black's 16th move. Is that really
true? Here is what it says:
17.Ng5 Rxf1+ 18.Rxf1 Nf5 19.Bxf5 gxf5 20.Rxf5 exf5
21.Qb3+ c4 22.Qxc4+ Be6 23.Qxe6+ Kh8 24.Ngf7+ Kg8
[24...Qxf7 25.Nxf7+ Kg8 26.Nd8+ Kh8 27.Qe8+ Bf8 28.Qxf8#] 25.Nh6+ Kh8 26.Ndf7+ Qxf7 27.Nxf7+ Kg8 28.Nd8+ Kh8
29.Qe8+ Bf8 30.Qxf8# 1-0 |
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| Feb-12-09 |
| Udit Narayan: An excellent idea, executed perfectly!!! |
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| Apr-03-09 |
| DiskFunkTionaL: Peligroso's Ndf7+ was more realistic. |
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