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|Nov-24-07|| ||Aspirador: <What kind of event is First Match?> It's the one before the second one.|
|Nov-24-07|| ||shor: hey think, how can it be that by what you wrote: "27 R8xf7", i'm sorry, i just can't see how could the rook take the queen.|
|Nov-24-07|| ||Manic: <shor> <think> means 27.R8xd7 of course...|
<think> I think the reason that black did not play 22...Bxe6 is because of 23.Qxb7 and his queenside pawns are set to fall, although you are right it looks better than the line played in the game. Mieses probably did not see what was coming after 22...Qxe6. Maybe he missed 23.Rd8, thinking Rubinstein must move his queen.
|Nov-24-07|| ||rhedrich: obvious continuation is Qf7-Rxe8+ (Qxe8?-Rd8) and wins a rook or queen.|
|Nov-24-07|| ||Mirhosseini: 22. ...Qxe6 its not bad
Qxe6 is better than Bxe6
black moved bad in 23. ...h6
black best move is 23. ...Rg8
|Nov-24-07|| ||Karpova: <ericlgame: What kind of event is First Match?>|
The first match between Mieses and Rubinstein in 1905 which is almost forgotten now. Much better known is their second (hard-fought) match in 1909 (Rubinstein won 6-4).
Their first match ended 3-0 in favor of Rubinstein.
|Nov-24-07|| ||RookFile: I find 15. c5 to be a very interesting and strong move from Rubinstein.|
|Nov-24-07|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: I'm inclined to think that 12...e5 was woefully premature and practically a losing move. Everything seems to flow naturally from there, but that could be the effect Rubinstein has upon lesser mortals.|
|Nov-24-07|| ||al wazir: I think black can survive after 24...Qg8. If 25. Bh4 or Be5, then 25...Be6.|
|Nov-24-07|| ||Karpova: <al wazir: I think black can survive after 24...Qg8.>|
What about 24...Qg8 25.Qa5 (25...Be6 26.Rxa8 Rxa8 27.Qc7 Qf7 28.Qxf7 Bxf7 29.Rd7)
|Nov-24-07|| ||lentil: <think, et al.> simplest win is 25. ..Qf7 26 Rxe8+ Qxe8 27 Rd8|
|Nov-24-07|| ||al wazir: <Karpova: 24...Qg8 25. Qa5 Be6 26. Rxa8 Rxa8 27. Qc7> Qc8 28. Qxc8 (28. Be5 Qxc7 29. Bxc7 Re8; 28. Qe7 Qe8) Rxc8 29. Rd6 Re8.|
|Nov-24-07|| ||Karpova: <al wazir: <Karpova: 24...Qg8 25. Qa5 Be6 26. Rxa8 Rxa8 27. Qc7> Qc8 28. Qxc8 (28. Be5 Qxc7 29. Bxc7 Re8; 28. Qe7 Qe8)>|
24...Qg8 25. Qa5 Be6 26. Rxa8 Rxa8 27.Qc7 Qc8 28.Qe7 Qe8 29.Qxb7
|Nov-24-07|| ||xrt999: I think 14...Qxc7 would have been better for black. After the exchange white and black would either both have doubled pawns, or both would have a symmetrical pawn structure on e3-d4 and e4-f5.|
The retreat 14.Qc7 is a passive square; from a psychological perspective, I would think that black, in retreating to c7, was overly concerned about pawn structure, but then allows white to activate a rook to d1 by playing 15...Re8. I think 15.exd4 would have more consistent with black's playing 14.Qc7.
After moving the rook 15...Re8 to protect e5, which white would probably never take on anyway, he THEN takes on d4 with 16...exd4. Black loses a tempo allowing white to eventually double brutal rooks on the d-file.
inconsistent play by black
|Nov-24-07|| ||al wazir: <Karpova>: You're right. 28...Qe8 was a careless mistake, but 28...Bd5 loses to 29. Be5. I also looked at 27...Qb3; that doesn't work either. White has too many threats.|
|Nov-24-07|| ||kevin86: A lot of pressure is on the black queen-she must move but black will fall to :26 ♖xe8+ ♕xe8 27 ♖d8 pins the queen.|
Black's best try to save the gane is 26...g5,but too bad-it's illegal!
BTW,illegal is not a sick bird.
|Nov-24-07|| ||parisattack: Rubinstein's wins always seems so effortless yet so powerful. The only games I know similar are Flohr's from the mid-30s.|
|Nov-24-07|| ||Guguni: What if black plays 18... Q:c5. White can not pick up the queen with the R:d7, because the black would play 19... Q:c3. I can see no valid attack for the white, except for two moderate checks with 19.Bc4, or 19.Qb3. I can be missing something, but to me it looks like black could have eaten the c5 pawn without much problems.|
|Nov-24-07|| ||GreenCastle: 18...Qxc5 loses an exchange to 19.Bc4+ Kh8 20.Bd6 Qb6 21.Bf7
click for larger view
The Re8 cannot escape the fury of White's bishops (..Rd8 Be7)
|Nov-24-07|| ||JG27Pyth: I'm unclear as to why 23...Bd7 wasn't played. Is this about black trying to hang on to his b pawn?|
|Nov-24-07|| ||Guguni: Thank you GreenCastle. Quite convincing.|
|Nov-24-07|| ||beginner64: <JG27Pyth: 23..Bd7!>I agree 23..Bd7 seems like a good move. In case of 24. Qxb7 Raxd8.|
|Nov-25-07|| ||Manic: <JG27Pyth> Yes, I think black probably did not see how strong white's attack was. By playing 22...Qxe6, that to me indicates that he'd like to hold onto his b-pawn. However, after losing his b-pawn (e.g. 23...Bd7 24.Rxd8+ Rxd8 25.Qxb7), black is probably still losing, albeit not as fast as in the game.|
|Oct-10-17|| ||BAJones: The diversionary Bishop sacrifice of Bh4 also occurs in the game Rubinstein - Maroczy, Gothenburg 1920, in both cases as the final move. A beautifully subtle winning move.|
|Oct-10-17|| ||keypusher: <BAJones: The diversionary Bishop sacrifice of Bh4 also occurs in the game Rubinstein - Maroczy, Gothenburg 1920, in both cases as the final move. A beautifully subtle winning move.>|
Good eye, thanks for pointing this game out. The other game is famous, this isn't (at least not to me).
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