|Feb-18-09|| ||Phony Benoni: Another question for our Rubinstein aficionados. Here's the position after 47...Rxa3:
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Now, several online databases I've checked have White's final move as 48.Rf6, not 48.Rh6 as given here. The latter looks more accurate, but was it the move actually played?
|Feb-18-09|| ||Calli: Donaldson/Minev in Life and Games give 48.Rh6. They have the game in Rd 16. ( I notice you have it in rd 2)|
|Feb-18-09|| ||Phony Benoni: >Calli> Thanks for the information.
There are inconsistencies in the round numbers for Rubinstein's games in this tournament. For instance, the PGN shows both Schlechter vs Rubinstein, 1908 and
J N Berger vs Rubinstein, 1908 as being played in round 7, and his games against Salwe and Marsahll are both given as round 17.
I've prepared a reconstruction of the pairings based on games by the players, and everything checks out except those few Rubinstein games. In addition, I found a file of games at http://www.pgnmentor.com/ with round numbers that match the reconstruction.
In the absence of the tournament book, I'm assuming that some of the Rubinstein round numbers are incorrect for whatever reason. Why, oh why did I sell off my Olms collection?
|Feb-19-09|| ||Calli: The Rubinstein book gives his opponents in this order:|
-Duras, Alapin,-Reti,-Cohn, Berger, -Teichmann, Schlechter,-Suechting, Tartakower, -Leonhardt, Swiderski, -Maroczy, Salwe, -Bardeleben, Perlis, -Johner, Marshall, -Spielmann, Mieses
- means the player had black
|Feb-19-09|| ||Phony Benoni: Thanks for that. Now let's compare the two versions (Donaldson on the left)|
Had just a couple of games been different, they might have been played out of sequence for some reason. But with only one game matching, something is fisky.
If the order given by Donaldson is correct, then most of the other games in the database are wrong. For instance:
Donaldson gives Rubinstein-Duras in round 1. But Duras vs Mieses, 1908 has "round 1" in the PGN.
See also Marshall vs Reti, 1908 (rd.3), J N Berger vs Reti, 1908 (rd.5),
Reti vs Teichmann, 1908 (rd.6), Schlechter vs Reti, 1908 (rd.7), Tartakower vs Spielmann, 1908 (rd.9), Spielmann vs Salwe, 1908 (rd.13), Von Bardeleben vs Salwe, 1908 (rd.14), Tartakower vs Marshall, 1908 (rd.17).
Now, I know Donaldson is too good an historian to make obvious blunders, and there does seem to be some general confusion about this. Kibitzing to Mieses vs Rubinstein, 1908, <Karpova> says that Mieses defeated Rubinstein in the final round, which matches Donaldson. However, at the game Duras vs Von Bardeleben, 1908, <Von Krolock> says that Mieses and Schlechter drew in the last round, which matches what I have.
I think I have the preponderance of evidence, but I can't rule out Donaldson's version without definite proof. Where's that tournament book??
|Feb-19-09|| ||Calli: Maybe the progressive score table will help: http://picasaweb.google.com/Caissa1...|
|Feb-19-09|| ||Calli: Donaldson says that Ruby started hot winning his first four. This agrees with the scoring table. However, he then states that Akiva lost two of the last three to Marshall and Mieses ruining his chances for 1st. This conflicts with the Wiener Schachzeitung. Donaldson's game order is therefore questionable.|
|Feb-19-09|| ||Gypsy: <Donaldson gives Rubinstein-Duras in round 1. But Duras vs Mieses, 1908 has "round 1" in the PGN.>|
Duras' monography puts Rubinstein vs Duras, 1908 into 10th round, not 1st.
|Feb-20-09|| ||Phony Benoni: I think the table from the <Wiener Schachzeitung> is conclusive. We know Rubinstein suffered his three losses to Marshall, Mieses and Leonhardt. Donaldson has those games in rounds 10, 17, and 19, but the WS chart shows they were played in round 5, 11, and 14 instead. So Donaldson definitely has some incorrect information in this case.|
I'll keep an eye on the score table as I assemble the collection to make sure everything checks out. Thanks a lto!