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|Jan-10-08|| ||Atking: White opening concept (5.Ne2~13.0-0-0) is very interesting. 16...NxNe4? 17.gxN Nxf2 18.Rhg1 f6 19.Rd7. As Patzer2 noted 13...NxNe4 was the last time to keep the balance. Still White is a bit better. Maybe Black went wrong when the concession of open line for the Bb2 was made 6...exd?!. The gambit line 6...0-0!? or the solid 6...Nd7 could be my choice.|
|Jan-10-08|| ||hovik2003: Beside 13.0-0-0! which sets up the vicious trap for black to play 13...Bg4?, I liked more quiet and solid move on 33.Rg8! which blows up to the wind all the hopes of equality black summoned after 31...Rxf6! giving the exchange back.|
|Jan-10-08|| ||Riverbeast: Minasian loves playing this funky stuff...I remember once someone referred to him as an 'advanced coffeehouse player'...VERY advanced, it seems|
Actually, his style reminds me of Bent Larsen
|Jan-10-08|| ||THE pawn: I love when I make stupid comments only to realise it a day late.|
|Jan-15-08|| ||whiteshark: As best defence <20...h5> should be analysed. Idea is playing Kh7-g6. Here the king is well placed against white's pawn majority on the kingside.|
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|Oct-03-15|| ||Penguincw: Ah, the real Saturday puzzle (I honestly thought the Polgar-Bareev game was Saturday's puzzle).|
Anyway, my first thought was taking on f6 with check, and then doing something about the skewer. But then I thought for a bit, and came up with 13.Nxc6 Bxf3 14.Nxe7+ Kh8 15.Nxc8. I'll give myself half credit, just like Friday's puzzle.
2/3 this week.
|Oct-03-15|| ||Chessgames Bookie: Hello all Saturday puzzle solvers!
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|Oct-03-15|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Black probably saw that White regains material with the aid of the Royal Fork on e7, but overlooked the strength of 17.Nf6!, without which 13.0-0-0 becomes unsound. If 17...gxf6??, 18.Bxf6+,Kg8; 19.Ne7X.|
Mansion showed good judgment in deciding that B&2P vs. R favored himself, even though he had zero passed pawns going into the ending. Another example of Petrosian's dictum that have more "pawn islands" than your opponent (in this case, 4 vs. 2) often leads to trouble.
|Oct-03-15|| ||Fish55: I pleasantly surprised myself by seeing this combination through move 20, even though it didn't/doesn't look like an easy win for white. If 15..Nxe4 16. gxf3 Nf2 17. Rhg1 and black can't afford to take the rook on d1.|
|Oct-03-15|| ||stacase: I got the first move right but for all the wrong reasons, and most of the following ..... Uh it's too embarrassing to explain. Sigh!|
|Oct-03-15|| ||jith1207: I got every move right until I could not find Rg7, which was a nice tactic forcing black rook to give up for bishop. But lucky to find the initial moves after pondering for a while and even then required calculation of various lines as lot of pieces were hanging on. |
This is a good game, white's player had to be calm and collected to come with up an accurate plan in spite of material disadvantage till the end. My question is, could black have come up with a better plan in the end game to win with two rooks? Is the game line foolproof till the end or did black blunder somewhere? I could not figure that out myself.
|Oct-03-15|| ||al wazir: I saw the combination but wouldn't have played it. I had no idea how strong white's ♗'s grip on the diagonal would be. |
I don't think black's play after the exchange sac was optimal. For example, 17...Raxc8 would have been better than Rfxc8 because it would have saved a tempo. (Black eventually played Rc8 six moves later.)
|Oct-03-15|| ||diagonalley: <al wazir> ditto... coming out of the combo there's still an awful lot to do to convert the position to a win... it must have been a leap of faith on minasian's part|
|Oct-03-15|| ||morfishine: I had <14.Nxc6> which became obvious after I noticed Whites DSB posted on <b2> LOL|
|Oct-03-15|| ||goldfarbdj: I found the first move, and everything up through move 20, which is a hell of a lot better than I usually do on Saturday. (In particular, I did see the mate threat after Nxf6.)|
|Oct-03-15|| ||The Kings Domain: Didn't get this and at first was puzzled by white's move. As I played through the game though it became clear to me and am impressed by white's sacrifice.|
Very few games from the post-Fischer era inspire me and this is one of those.
|Oct-03-15|| ||gofer: I think once you have made the decision to sacrifice your queen on
move 14 you might as well get on with it!
<14 Nxc6 ...>
Black cannot refuse due to the multiple threats of Nxe7+ and Nxf6+
<14 ... Bxf3>
<15 Nxe7+ Kh8>
<16 Nxc8 Bxd1>
<17 Nxf6 Rfxc8>
<18 Rxd1 gxf6>
<19 Bxf6+ Kg8>
<20 Rd3 h5>
So we get here...
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<21 Be5! >
Now is this enough for me to claim I have seen it?! Probably, but its is far from being over!
Wow, 7 moves correct, this must be an "Easy" Saturday...! I
|Oct-03-15|| ||agb2002: White has a bishop and a knight for the bishop pair.|
Black threatens 14... Bxf3.
I don't have much time for this puzzle but I think I'd play 14.Nxc6:
A) 14... Bxf3 15.Nxe7+ Kh8 16.Nxc8
A.1) 16... Bxd1 17.Nxf6
A.1.a) 17... gxf6 18.Bxf6+ Kg8 19.Ne7#.
A.1.b) 17... Rxc8 18.Nd7 Bg4 (18... Rfd8 19.Rxd1 + - [B+N+P vs R]) 19.Nxf8 Rxf8 20.f3 +/ - [P].
A.1.c) 17... Be2 18.Ne7 h6 (18... gxf6 19.Bxf6#) 19.Nfd5 + - [2N+P vs R].
A.2) 16... Bxe4 17.f3 Bxf3 (17... Bb7 18.Ne7 +/ - [P]) 18.gxf3 Raxc8 19.Bxf6 gxf6 29.Rd7 with the better ending since Black's pawn majority on the kingside has lost most of its value.
A.3) 16... Bxg2 17.Nxf6 looks similar to A.1.
A.4) 16... Nxe4 17.gxf3 Nxf2 18.Ne7 seems to win two pieces for a rook.
B) 14... Re8 15.Nxe7+ Rxe7 16.Nxf6+ gxf6 17.Qxf6 wins.
|Oct-03-15|| ||kevin86: Black will lose the last pawn and with it his only...chance.|
|Oct-03-15|| ||BOSTER: This is the pos. black to play 16...
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Because white knight on c8 has only one square to retreat "e7", black should play 16...Bxe4, not Bxd1.
After this white knight on c8 and pawn g2 under attack, so everything is equal.
This is why I'd say Mis...sion impossible.
|Oct-03-15|| ||DarthStapler: I got the first 3 moves|
|Oct-03-15|| ||saturn2: I had the first two moves but would have continued 16 Nxf6 with which I suppposed white gets 3 pieces for the queen. (The knight on f6 is taboo for black and by rescuing the queen he looses the Bf3)|
In the game continuation I dont understand black's ...16 BxRd1 and think 16...BxNe4 is stronger for black.
|Oct-03-15|| ||Richard Taylor: I saw this idea (and the idea of a possible mate on h8) but I thought that 17. ... Rac8 was a better move and that it was unclear. |
I spent hours on this and got quite confused trying to make 14. Nxc6 Bxf3 15. Nxe7+ Kh8 16. Nxf6 Bxd1 17. Rxd1 (or possibly 17. Nh5) then Black had Qe6 and it wasn't clear. I also tried a n intermezzo and a Q sac on f6 and so on. Then seeing nothing clear after about 4 hours I gave up!
But in a game I might have given the Q sac etc a chance as the ending allowed W to get to the 7th rank, also the B could come back to d4. But how to work something like this out satisfactorily in a tournament game is a different matter when time and nerves are factors. Sometimes one just has to "give it a go" and think of England.
|Oct-03-15|| ||dfcx: I see
If black plays
14...Bxf3 15.Nxe7+ Kh8 16.Nxc8 Bxd1 17.Nxf6 Raxc8 (gxf6? 18.Bxf6+ mates) 18.Rxd1 gxf6 19.Bxf6+ Kg8 20.Rd3 h6
and white has R+B+6P against R+R plus 4 disconnected pawns. White should win from here.
If black does not take the rook at d1, for example 16...Bxe4 17.Ne7 Rfe8 18.Bxf6 gxf6 19.Nd5 white wins a pawn.
|Oct-03-15|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: I also had the game line up through white's move 20, when I thought black's best try might be 20... h6, but the game line was probably a better defense.|
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