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| Dec-19-11 | | rilkefan: <<Dyonis>: 24. ... g5 ... Does not change much the situation . So... 25. Qxf6 Kxf6 26.Rf3+ Kg6 27.Rh1 ... and 28. Bd3++ is inevitable...> 24...g5 25.Qxf6 just draws, as black has 27...g4 in your line: white has to play 27.Bd3+ and go for a perpetual on g1/h1. However after 25.Bxf8 black is just dropping the kside (note that Rxf8 is mate either way). |
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| Dec-19-11 | | rilkefan: Is 6...e6 (instead of say Nbd7) practically the losing move? |
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| Dec-19-11 | | Dyonis: <rilkefan>... Thank you very much...I've noticed g4... few minutes after posting my comment... walking on the street... |
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Dec-19-11
 | | Domdaniel: Wasn't this the year that Braun went into a runaway lead in his group at Corus/Wijk, but collapsed in later rounds? |
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Dec-19-11
 | | scormus: The pun says it. If Jack Dempsey took up chess, its the way he would have played. |
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| Dec-19-11 | | rilkefan: <Dyonis> - no problem - I hadn't even noticed that g5 was an option; I need to work on expanding my candidates for defense, though I'm an old dog. Dunno if I would have seen even ...g6 Qxf6 OTB. So I've looked at the opening/middle a bit with stockfish. It doesn't like 6...e6 or 9...Be4 (about 0.7 pawns per). It prefers just 10.0-0 at a depth of 29 (4.5 Gnodes), basically (so it seems to me) because the knight gets kicked from the kside and white holds the center with a pawn storm on the way (the line I was expecting black to take, 0-0 Bd5 11.Bd3 c5, soon runs into stuff like Nxf7/Ng5+/Ne6/Nxg7+, though it's not a huge difference). It dislikes 15...Be7, I think because it wants to play Qxf6 after gf. And it thinks black had to play 16...Ke8 (17.Bxe6 g6), so 16.Qf5 was overcomplicated and dropped half a pawn; but ...Nf8 gives a whole pawn back, and ...a6 drops another. |
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| Dec-19-11 | | ricardolopez: <rilkefan><Dyonis> 24..g5; 25. Qxf6+ Kxf6 ; 26. Rf3 Kg6 ; 27. Bd3+ Kxh6 ;
28. Bxf8 + R(e or g) x f8 ; 29. Rh1+ and 30. R x h7 ++ |
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| Dec-19-11 | | rilkefan: <<ricardolopez>: 28. Bxf8 + R(e or g) x f8 ; 29. Rh1+ and 30. R x h7 ++> I agree with the above if Rexf8, but on Rgx black has Kg8, and if Rfh3 Qxb2+ and black's king gets to the qside. |
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| Dec-19-11 | | Lil Swine: very brutal |
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Dec-19-11
| | Domdaniel: As I recall it, halfway through this event Arik Braun - the German teenage sensation of the day - was leading with a string of wins. This game ended his run, and seems to have shattered his nerves too. He lost several more and finished mid-table. And he hasn't quite lived up to that early promise: for a while he looked like the next Carlsen or Giri or So. |
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| Dec-19-11 | | notyetagm: Game Collection: LINE-OPENING SACRIFICES:KING TRAPPED IN CORRIDOR E Grivas vs A Braun, 2008 If 24...g6 25.Qxf6+ Kxf6 26.Rf3++ is a very pretty 'model' mate. |
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| Jan-07-16 | | PhilFeeley: Time to try 4. Nbd2 next time I play the Slav, if I ever play it. |
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| Mar-30-23 | | syracrophy: 
click for larger view🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 |
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| Apr-27-25 | | mel gibson: Didn't see that but I didn't look for long.
Stockfish 17 says:
10. Nxf7
(10. Nxf7 (1.Nxf7 Kxf7 2.Nxe4 Nxe4 3.Qf3+ Nf6 4.g5 b5 5.Bb3 a5 6.Qf5 Qd6 7.gxf6 gxf6 8.a3 c5 9.Qf3 Nc6 10.dxc5 Qxc5
11.Bd2 Rd8 12.Rc1 Qd6 13.Qh5+ Ke7 14.Rd1 Qe5 ) +2.69/42 365) score for White +2.69 depth 42. |
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Apr-27-25
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Not a great week for by any measure (flubbed 3), but solved this one. Interesting detail--the net result of the combination consists of "merely" a positional advantage and the Two Bishops, but you have to recognize that this constitutes the best White can do. Would Black have done better to prevent 20.Bb4 with 19...a5? |
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Apr-27-25
 | | Teyss: If it's just seeing the combination up to 13.g5 regaining material with a strong attack on the BK, it's mid-week level. If it's seeing the following 11 moves and the resulting 987,654,321 positions, it's Sunday. At the end if 24...g6, 25.Qxf6+! Kxf6 26.Rf3# a pretty mate.
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| Apr-27-25 | | Walter Glattke: Tal plays that combination chess, the option was, so no quick material win is to make, the positional "Botwinnik" cbhess. Why not 10.f3 Bd5 11.Qb3 b6 12.g5 Nfd7 13.e4 Bxc4 14.N2xc4 Be7 15.Bf4 0-0 16.0-0-0 b5 17.Ne3 Qe8 18.Ng4. Looks nice |
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Apr-27-25
 | | chrisowen: Lap its yum z its v Nxf7 ach its match its ado no affable its packforth its gi guff ace its me its ia its hoh its about lo at Nxf7 its ear x |
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Apr-27-25
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| Apr-27-25 | | Walter Glattke: 24.-g6 why 1-0? Zeitüberschreitung? (overtime) |
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| Apr-27-25 | | Gottschalk: <Walter Glattke> 25Qf6+! Kf6 only this 26Rf3++ |
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| Apr-27-25 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: As in other opportunities, it seems that W attack is based on K exposition: 10. Nxf7 Kxf7 11. Nxe4 Nxe4 12. Qf3+ Nf6 13. g5... and the fight go on... |
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| Apr-27-25 | | Gottschalk: <King.Arthur.Brazil>
Há outros elementos que também chamam a atenção: como o par de peões ativos e uma certa sobrecarga do Cf6_ cavalo este que deve proteger o rei e mais a peça tocada em e4. A falta de desenvolvimento no flanco-dama deveria pesar para ambos e se anular. Ou seja, ou foi um show de coragem ou de cálculo perfeitamente ponderado! |
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| Apr-27-25 | | ewan14: Very good play ! |
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| Apr-28-25 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: <Gottschalk> - I rewrote your good pounding, in English and humbly, beg you please to say everything you want in this language, because the rules of this site and because it is not polite that we talk in our natural language here. Don't see me as critic or the like, we are here by their courtesy. I agree with you <"There are other elements that also draw attention: such as the pair of active pawns and a certain overload of the Nf6 knight, which must protect the king and the piece touched on e4.
The lack of development on the queenside should weigh on both sides and cancel each other out. In other words, it was either a show of courage or perfectly balanced calculation!> Since the 1975 approximately, the quick version of chess (with only five minutes to whole game for each player), many begin to play in this way, even in the normal 2 hours for 40 moves. Then, In MHO, the king doubts on much calculation, it was more a sacarstic and risky decision to put the opponent in a unusual situation or in which he could not feel tranquility to play. |
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sac: 10.Nxf7