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Loek van Wely vs Magnus Carlsen
Corus Group A (2008), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 10, Jan-23
Benko Gambit: Accepted. Fianchetto Variation (A58)  ·  0-1
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Jan-24-08  skrzypczyk: the Dutch dont have much to say..
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Jan-24-08  cannibal: <hovik2003>
Lol, yeah, if I wanna throw a game to someone, the last thing I'd do is to build up a completely winning position. Maybe some slight disappointment over there because Aronian isn't leading any more? ;-)
Jan-24-08  Ulhumbrus: According to Capablanca, the good player is always lucky. Carlsen played well enough to be lucky.
Jan-24-08  hovik2003: <cannibal>
I am sure Aronian still got a very good chance to win in Corus, but incase Carlsen wins (despite being one of my favorate players from onset) he is gonna look more like a real champion if he doesn't hold the throphy above his head and hide it behind his back.

I am concerned more with professional chess at general than a particular player.

Jan-24-08
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  tamar: Magnus has progressed so fast that it is hard to see him objectively.

On the one hand, other players watch this game and see a big hole in his opening repertoire.

On the other hand, they see a player get out of insuperable difficulties and then launch a mating attack!

I think that in miniature is what happened to Van Wely. His fear of Carlsen's calculating abilities made him play optically safer moves, but that allowed Carlsen back into the game.

Jan-24-08  hovik2003: <tamar>
I agree what you are saying, I always follow Carlsen games, they are not flat to say atleast. But if my initial feeling of this game being a happy present to Carlsen to be proved wrong and superficsial, I should admit this game should go in history as most amazing come from behind game of last 10 years of high level professional chess.
Jan-24-08  Open Defence: I think Kasparov also pulled of some saves, so did Lasker, Botvinnik, Tal etc its all part of the game and one's fighting spirit, I don't know if you guys have experienced something like this but in one of the most important games of my life I messed up in the Opening big time and I just could not play the rest of the game properly, my thought went back to the blunder and hung over me like a big black cloud so this game does show that Carlsen has some pretty strong nerves
Jan-24-08
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  Eyal: In a way, this game provides an instructive contrast with Mamedyarov vs Carlsen, 2008 from the 1st round, where Carlsen's opponent gave up way prematurely.
Jan-24-08  Rolfo: <Tabanus: Prepare for some magic now :)))))))))))> You were more right than you ever thought of..>

>hovik2003> <But if my initial feeling of this game being a happy present to Carlsen to be proved wrong and superficsial, I should admit this game should go in history as most amazing come from behind game of last 10 years of high level professional chess.>

Feel safe to omit your condition. Van Wely really really wanted to win this game. If you are serious about believing in fixed games, you must know some subculture or may be have some evidence we don't know.. If you feel Carlsen is a real threat to Aronian you are right..

Jan-24-08  simsan: Considering Magnus' choise of the Volga-Benkö gambit in the opening I think it is interesting to read his dad's remarks in his blog.

Apparently Magnus found a big problem with his original opening preparation just before the game, and decided to change his opening strategy to Volga-Benkö right before the game started.

In retrospect it could perhaps explain some of the early trouble he encountered.

Jan-25-08  notyetagm: <Eyal: In a way, this game provides an instructive contrast with Mamedyarov vs Carlsen, 2008 from the 1st round, where Carlsen's opponent gave up way prematurely.>

Yes, these two games may decide the Corus tournament for Carlsen: the free half-point that he got from Mamaedyarov and the free point(!) that he got from Van Wely.

Like chessbase says, that is the kind of luck you need to win tournaments.

Jan-25-08  cannibal: I don't actually think Carlsen has been so incredibly lucky if you look at the whole tournament. He got a full point here, and he blundered half a point against Leko. (There were also the games against Aronian - where he might have been able to win, and against Mamedyarov - where white could have resisted longer, although, <notyetagm>, I wouldn't call this one a free half-point)

So overall, yes, maybe he was <a little> lucky - and definitely more so than van Wely, who is by far the unluckiest player in the tournament -, but if he wins this thing, he'll deserve it.

Jan-28-08  notyetagm: < Ezzy: ... Todays game is the one Van Wely isn't going to forget that easily. He's going to dream about the position he was in for the next 3 months.>

Yes, it is just -amazing- that Van Wely could somehow contrive to lose from this overwhelming White position.


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Jan-28-08  notyetagm: Van Wely vs Carlsen, 2008

<syracrophy: <Eyal> In the analysis at http://www.chessdom.com/corus-chess..., it appears that 39.Rh8+!! wins.>


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Yes, 39 ♖b8-h8+!! is a great example of the need to <EVALUATE FORCING MOVES LIKE A COMPUTER>.

39 ♖b8-h8+!! goes right into my Game Collection: Evaluate forcing moves like a computer. I bet you Van Wely did not even -consider- this move in his time pressure. If he had, he would have easily seen that, yes it gives up a rook, but it also forces the queens off of the board and then the connected White c- and d-passed pawns march on to victory.

<After 39...Bxh8 <39...Kxh8 40.Qe8+> 40.Qe7 exchanging the queens and winning the final position>


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Jan-28-08  notyetagm: Van Wely vs Carlsen, 2008

<syracrophy: <Eyal> In the analysis at http://www.chessdom.com/corus-chess..., it appears that 39.Rh8+!! wins.>


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Yes, 39 ♖b8-h8+!! is a great example of the need to <EVALUATE FORCING MOVES LIKE A COMPUTER>.

39 ♖b8-h8+!! goes right into my Game Collection: Evaluate forcing moves like a computer. I bet you Van Wely did not even -consider- this move in his time pressure. If he had, he would have easily seen that, yes it gives up a rook, but it also forces the queens off of the board and then the connected White c- and d-passed pawns march on to victory.

<After 39...Bxh8 <39...Kxh8 40.Qe8+> 40.Qe7 exchanging the queens and winning the final position>


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Jan-28-08  notyetagm: Van Wely vs Carlsen, 2008

<syracrophy: <Eyal> In the analysis at http://www.chessdom.com/corus-chess..., it appears that 39.Rh8+!! wins.>


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Yes, 39 ♖b8-h8+!! is a great example of the need to <EVALUATE FORCING MOVES LIKE A COMPUTER>.

39 ♖b8-h8+!! goes right into my Game Collection: Evaluate forcing moves like a computer. I bet you Van Wely did not even -consider- this move in his time pressure. If he had, he would have easily seen that, yes it gives up a rook, but it also forces the queens off of the board and then the connected White c- and d-passed pawns march on to victory.

<After 39...Bxh8 <39...Kxh8 40.Qe8+> 40.Qe7 exchanging the queens and winning the final position>


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Jan-28-08  notyetagm: Game Collection: Grooming pawns for promotion -- Seirawan

<After 39...Bxh8 <39...Kxh8 40.Qe8+> 40.Qe7 exchanging the queens and winning the final position>


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This position is the point of the magnificent tactical liquidation 39 ♖b8-h8+!!: <<<the connected, passed, well-supported, and far advanced c6- and d5-pawns will each cost Black a piece>>>, leaving White a whole rook(!) ahead when the smoke clears.

Mar-20-08  computer chess guy: I think 39. ♕e7 would win too. One line is 39. ♕e7 ♕xd5+ 40. ♔g1 ♕d4+ 41. ♔f1 ♕d1+ 42. ♔f2 ♕d4+ 43. ♔g3 -


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now Black will run out of checks and White has deadly threats including mate starting with ♕h4+.

Apr-30-08  Whitehat1963: Someday this would make for an excellent weekend puzzle after 39. Qe3.
Mar-10-09  KingG: This game reminds me a bit of Gheorghiu vs Miles, 1975, a model Benko game from the White side thrown away in time trouble just before time control.
Sep-20-11
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  FSR: Dang, chess is hard. I feel sorry for Van Wely, losing such a "dead won" game. But a great display of fighting spirit and resourcefulness from Carlsen, who won from a position that many would have resigned (either literally or in their mind, just going through the motions) long before.
Aug-24-14  johnkr: It does surprise me too. As early as 19th move. 19 b4, and Magnus replied 19...Nd7. True after 19...Bxc3 20 Bxc3 Nxa4 21 Bd2 Black is still in trouble. But in the game 19... Nd7 and now why not simply 20 b5!?. Fritz says winning already. Are 2 connected p-pawns bad?
Jun-12-15  CountryGirl: "Baby, baby, it's a wild world..." Crazy chaotic game, this one.
Mar-20-19
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  Joshka: Been trying to play the Benko, but my opponent will never push the pawn to d5. Without the d5 pawn push the Benko doesn't happen?
Mar-21-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  moronovich: Hi <Johska >!

You can try to transpose via 1.d4-c5(!)2.d5-Nf6. Practice shows that most of the white players answer 1--c5 with 2.d5.

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