chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing


register now - it's free!
Levon Aronian vs Vassily Ivanchuk
Corus (2008)  ·  Queen's Gambit Accepted: Classical Defense. Main Lines (D27)  ·  1/2-1/2
To move:
Last move:

explore this opening
find similar games 59 more Aronian/Ivanchuk games
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: To flip the board (so black is on the bottom) either press F or click on the e7 square.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with the default chess viewer, please see the Pgn4web Quickstart Guide.

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 11 OF 11 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Gregor Samsa Mendel: I did not see 58...h2. I thought Chuky was done for.
Jan-26-08  Ulhumbrus: It looks like a draw now . 56 fxg5 instead of 56 f5 might have won.
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Marmot PFL: Looks fairly simple draw. If white brings his king to help the b pawn he loses the g pawn, and the rook vs pawn ending is drawn.
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: White can't make any progress.
Jan-26-08  Ulhumbrus: If the time control was at move 56, Aronian may have let a win slip in time pressure.
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  boz: Time to start moving the rooks back and forth, back and forth.
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessic eric: <Ulhumbrus> if 56.fxg5,hxg3, i think it may be black who is better off, since that case the black king can't be lured away from the h8 square and white has only king moves, but can't get at the g3 pawn.
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  SCUBA diver: Chucky should play R-b5. ..
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Gregor Samsa Mendel: Ivanchuk, don't play 62...Kxg3! I think it's a trap!
Jan-26-08  Resignation Trap: At move 54, I immediately thought of this game: Polugaevsky vs Vasiukov, 1967 , where White won with the f4-f5-f6+ maneuver. Give Chuky credit for coming up with the 56...h3 idea.
Jan-26-08  Ulhumbrus: <chessic eric: <Ulhumbrus> if 56.fxg5,hxg3, i think it may be black who is better off, since that case the black king can't be lured away from the h8 square and white has only king moves, but can't get at the g3 pawn.> On 56 fxg5 hxg3 White's King threatens Black's g pawn, say from g2, White's g pawn advances to g6, and Black is in zugzwang
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  whiteshark: 62.Rd7 is a last try
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessic eric: <Gregor Samsa Mendel> ;-)
Jan-26-08  ewart cooper: you think it is
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  SCUBA diver: R-b5 may even win for black. ..
Jan-26-08  Ulhumbrus: <chessic eric> Having looked at it further, I don't think that 56 fxg5 wins either. The White King seems to lack shelter from checks if it tries to support the b pawn
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: Thanks to everybody for stopping by today. Remember, tomorrow is the final round and it starts one hour earlier than the other rounds (6:30am USA/Eastern). See you then!
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessic eric: <Ulhumbrus> you may be right, but black does have ...Rb2 if the white king tries to reach g2 via f1. But it does look like a zugzwang from here:


click for larger view

Jan-26-08  socratead: <chessis_eric>After 56. fxg5 hxg3 57. g6 ... 58. Kf1 .. 59. Kg2 and black loses the g3 pawn. Black is in zugswang no moves with the king, no moves with the rook, no moves with the pawn. I think Ulhumbrus is right, white would have won...
Jan-26-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Gilmoy: White had one more trick: 62..Rb5 63.Kc2! Kxg3?? 64.Rd3+ and 65.Rb3 -- protecting by skewer :) Hence Ivanchuk played 62..Kh3 to shield his K sideways (since 63.Rh7+? Kxg3 really is safe).
Jan-26-08  Ulhumbrus: <socratead> <chessic eric> White does create zugzwang and win Black's passed pawn . The trouble is that after that the white king seems to lack shelter from checks, if the white king tries to support White's passed pawn.
Jan-26-08  socratead: <Ulhumbrus> Yes, I have to correct my statement, white would have won the g pawn but not game. The game is still drawn, he cannot promote even with 2 pawns ahead. As you said checks by black forever and keep the b file...
Jan-26-08  minasina: This was live commentary http://chesspro.ru/chessonline/onli... (in Russian) (“Translated”: http://www.google.com/translate?u=h... The board is not functioning at the translated page)

GM Sergei Shipov ‘s post commentary for Kramnik vs Carlsen, 2008 includes also commentary for this game (in Russian) http://online.crestbook.com/wijk08-...

Jan-27-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  notyetagm: White to play: 22 ?


click for larger view

From http://www.coruschess.com/report.ph...:

<Levon should have played 22.Rd2! Qxd2 23.Nxd2 bxc3 24.Qc2 cxd2 25.Rd1, with a huge advantage.>


click for larger view

So it looks like Aronian missed a great opportunity to take a 1/2-point lead over Carlsen into the last round.

Jan-24-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Fusilli: <notyetagm: White to play: 22 ? (...)
<Levon should have played 22.Rd2! Qxd2 23.Nxd2 bxc3 24.Qc2 cxd2 25.Rd1, with a huge advantage.>>

I fail to see why Black would have had to play 22...Qxd2. Is 22...Qc7 worse? Why?

Jump to page #    (enter # from 1 to 11)
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 11 OF 11 ·  Later Kibitzing>
NOTE: You need to pick a username and password to post a reply. Getting your account takes less than a minute, totally anonymous, and 100% free--plus, it entitles you to features otherwise unavailable. Pick your username now and join the chessgames community!
If you already have an account, you should login now.
Please observe our posting guidelines:
  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, or duplicating posts.
  3. No personal attacks against other users.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
Blow the Whistle See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform an administrator.


NOTE: Keep all discussion on the topic of this page. This forum is for this specific game and nothing else. If you want to discuss chess in general, or this site, you might try the Kibitzer's Café.
Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
Spot an error? Please submit a correction slip and help us eliminate database mistakes!
This game is type: CLASSICAL (Disagree? Please submit a correction slip.)

Featured in the Following Game Collections [what is this?]
model game
from 05b_extra passed b-pawn in R+4:3|| by whiteshark
--> R b+3||
from 03_Heavy pieces in action: pure QRR middlegames by whiteshark


home | about | login | logout | F.A.Q. | your profile | preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | new kibitzing | chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | privacy notice | contact us
Copyright 2001-2014, Chessgames Services LLC
Web design & database development by 20/20 Technologies