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Vladimir Kramnik vs Magnus Carlsen
"Hedgehog Day" (game of the day Feb-02-12)
Corus (2008)  ·  English Opening: Symmetrical Variation. Hedgehog Defense (A30)  ·  0-1
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Dec-09-11
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  SuperPatzer77: It is one of my favorite games - Kramnik vs Carlsen, Corus, 2008.

Well-played by Magnus Carlsen!!!

SuperPatzer77

Feb-02-12  ooda: Magnus gives a very interesting analysis of this win at the press conference after the game. It's 3 parts and goes for nearly 30 minutes.

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjA5...

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6l-...

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2oc...

Feb-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  An Englishman: Good Evening: Pity there isn't a Groundhog Opening, for that is the curious holiday the Yanks celebrate on February 2. Of course, given my literary tendencies, I would have also liked a fine quality game played by someone named Finnegan or Ulysses, as 2/2 is the anniversary of the birth of a rather fine novelist by the name of James Joyce. "Stately, plump Buck Mulligan..."

It's also Shakira's birthday, but I was never musically inclined.

Feb-02-12  newzild: <An Englishman: Good Evening: Pity there isn't a Groundhog Opening, for that is the curious holiday the Yanks celebrate on February 2. Of course, given my literary tendencies, I would have also liked a fine quality game played by someone named Finnegan or Ulysses, as 2/2 is the anniversary of the birth of a rather fine novelist by the name of James Joyce. "Stately, plump Buck Mulligan...">

Quotes from his two least-fathomable novels. If you can figure out Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake, then 15-move mating combos should be a breeze.

Feb-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  ajile: Quite nice. In the final position after 58.Rxc2 bxc2 White's Knight can't move and so blocks his king from getting to the pawn. And the king can't get past on the e1 square either. So Black can casually at his leisure walk his king to the q-side to promote his c pawn.
Feb-02-12  thegoldenband: <An Englishman: Good Evening: Pity there isn't a Groundhog Opening>

There is the Woodchuck Variation of the St. George, i.e. 1. e4 a6 2. d4 Nc6 with the idea of 3. d5 Na7 like the titular rodent popping back into its hole. It can also be reached via 1. e4 Nc6 2. d4 a6.

(Woodchucks and groundhogs are the same thing, for those who might not know.)

Feb-02-12  Penguincw: Wasn't this game previously "Boy Wonder"?
Feb-02-12  widjaja70: Could somebody give me an analysis why White did not play 39.Rxb6 instead of 39.Kf1 ?
Feb-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sastre: If 39.Rxb6, 39...Ra1 40.Re2 (40.Kf1 Nf3 41.Re2 Rd7) Nf3 41.Ra6 R7xa6 42.bxa6 Nxe1+ wins.
Feb-02-12
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  kevin86: The crucial move brings a possible fork into the mix. White cannot both hide his king and stave off the fast-advancing black pawns.
Feb-02-12  checkmateyourmove: what makes it a hedgehog defense? what is the main pawn structure to call it hedgehog, i always wondered this!!
Feb-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Shams: <checkmateyourmove> Like its first cousin the Hippopotamus, the Hedgehog defense consists of four one-square-only pawn moves. (See the position after Black's 9...a6 in this game.) The idea is to develop slowly and solidly on three ranks only and await events. They are great counterpunching defenses.
Feb-02-12  SeamusD: The Hedgehog formation in this game is the line of Black pawns on a6, b6, d6, and e6.
Feb-02-12
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  Shams: And...the Hippo, impossible not to memorize at a glance:


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Feb-02-12  WiseWizard: Why not 29. Bxe5 dxe5 30. RxR QxR (RxR 31. Rcd1 Rd8 32. RxR QxR 33. Nxe6) 31. QxR RxQ 32. Nd3 ( not Nxe6 as 32...Bd8! traps the knight with Kf7 next)? Don't the exchanges relieve some pressure off the white position?
Feb-02-12  Edeltalent: Amazing stretch between 16.Rac1 and 22.Kg1 - with every move, Black moves forward, and White retreats (with the exception of one measly pawn move).
Feb-02-12  Everett: Yes, the hedgehog has that four pawn front, but many here are not mentioning the absolutely crucial half-open c-file. QID and Shveningen (sp?) Sicilians are the basic opening systems that achieve the set-up.
Feb-02-12  Siksika: <Bobwhoosta> I believe that it was Pjalle who said <Lazy people tend to justify their own mediocrity by blaming bad genes or lack of 'talent' but behind every 'genius' lies years and sometimes decades of hard focused work.> Not twoinchgroup. He just agreed.

But, wait a minute here, it looks as though Bobwhootsa can't help himself.

Hey Bobwhootsa, in order to determine a "fundamental" shift in someones view you would have to know their original view as opposed to their current view. What is twoinchgroup's original view here? I didn't read about it in any of his posts so how is it that you think there might be a shift on how he views the rest of life? Additionally, how would this question impact the rest of his life or mine for that matter????

What if God did give Magnus the talent( I think he did) that he possesses? I agree with twoinchgroup..."who cares"? Who cares what the blend ratio is? It's about the game and how beautiful it is. Magnus just "is" and praise God for him. What if you divined the exact ratio of talent and hardwork in Magnus? Would it matter? NO! Again, the result is only a beautiful chess game.

Guess what, it sounds to me like Bobwhootsa thinks he has every answer to this pointless question. You know what? Great! Bobwhootsa has every answer to a ridiculous question! Woohoo!

It should be obvious by now that I think the whole question is trivial and I don't personally need an answer to it.

But really, how is it that this question is so important that to think it is trivial would make one a fool? Really Bobwhootsa? IMO such a statement in itself "bespeaks" your poor attempt at sounding condescending and authoritative when actually you sound like a dork.

twoinchgroup didn't call anybody foolish as I read his comments above. Likewise I don't believe twoinchgroup considered anything a forgone conclusion he just thought the whole question was vain...as do I.

Sorry but there are in fact some very stupid questions that can be asked in life and you happen to be championing one of them.

Feb-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  ajile: <Everett: Yes, the hedgehog has that four pawn front, but many here are not mentioning the absolutely crucial half-open c-file. QID and Shveningen (sp?) Sicilians are the basic opening systems that achieve the set-up.>

Yes at some point Black needs to strike at the center. I used to play like this years ago but the better players would crush me if I just waited as Black. White can build a big space advantage and then attack at will wherever he wants. So Black needs to strike somewhere like ..c5 in the above Sicilian examples.

Feb-02-12  SynthStatic: Weird coincidence that this is game of the day, I was wanting to analyze this game today. Funny how things work sometimes, especially in this game, black seems restricted then he trades the light square bishop and his position just blossoms into life come move 17.
Feb-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  maxi: I have watched "Groundhog Day" many times, and I always enjoy it. It has some quite extraordinary scenes.
Feb-03-12  checkmateyourmove: thanks for the free lesson guys on hedghog
Nov-20-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Richard Taylor: < tonsillolith: Agreed, <Domdaniel>.

Another thing to add is that some people are hard workers by nature.

I wish I was a much harder worker, but it's exceedingly difficult to alter my laziness. So why should any of my prowess be downplayed due to lack of hard work? >

I am the greatest man or human in the world - tragically, however, this "greatness" is curtailed by my enormous and tireless capacity to do nothing for hours on end.

However, it has become apparent to me that my greatness lies in my absolute failure to achieve anything whatsoever. In fact, I think, that at last count,I had lost 2000 chess games in row. I had failed with women etc and more importantly I had been sacked from every job I ever was employed at. But I was not "quietly desperate" like the Great Herd, for indeed one has to actually experience emotions and hunger etc to feel "desperate"...No, I was what a psychologist explained as ( as he called the syndrome), a "failed error." This, this sudden realisation of my capacity to fail and do nothing for hours on end: all this came together in a kind of 'eclairissement', and this non-excitement moved me to consider the great advantages of failing. So I applied for Government aid (I had a disability, I was, well, basically "useless" in all areas of life as well as suffering from terminal and total laziness and overall stupidity): and indeed I was soon happily spending the last 40 years doing, well, nothing. Nothing at all. Nothing. There is nothing more to say.

Mar-25-14
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  Mating Net: After 6 years to reflect, I think this game really epitomizes the style of play that Magnus strived for enroute to the world title. The steady squeeze and exploitation of a slight advantage until it turns into an overwhelming position. Hard to imitate, so don't try it at home.
Apr-14-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Check It Out: Yes, this game has that feel of Magnus coming in to his prime.
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