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Vladimir Kramnik vs Magnus Carlsen
"Hedgehog Day" (game of the day Feb-02-12)
Corus (2008)  ·  English Opening: Symmetrical Variation. Hedgehog Defense (A30)  ·  0-1
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Feb-02-12
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  Penguincw: Wasn't this game previously "Boy Wonder"?
Feb-02-12  widjaja70: Could somebody give me an analysis why White did not play 39.Rxb6 instead of 39.Kf1 ?
Feb-02-12
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  Sastre: If 39.Rxb6, 39...Ra1 40.Re2 (40.Kf1 Nf3 41.Re2 Rd7) Nf3 41.Ra6 R7xa6 42.bxa6 Nxe1+ wins.
Feb-02-12
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  kevin86: The crucial move brings a possible fork into the mix. White cannot both hide his king and stave off the fast-advancing black pawns.
Feb-02-12  checkmateyourmove: what makes it a hedgehog defense? what is the main pawn structure to call it hedgehog, i always wondered this!!
Feb-02-12  Shams: <checkmateyourmove> Like its first cousin the Hippopotamus, the Hedgehog defense consists of four one-square-only pawn moves. (See the position after Black's 9...a6 in this game.) The idea is to develop slowly and solidly on three ranks only and await events. They are great counterpunching defenses.
Feb-02-12  SeamusD: The Hedgehog formation in this game is the line of Black pawns on a6, b6, d6, and e6.
Feb-02-12  Shams: And...the Hippo, impossible not to memorize at a glance:


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Feb-02-12  WiseWizard: Why not 29. Bxe5 dxe5 30. RxR QxR (RxR 31. Rcd1 Rd8 32. RxR QxR 33. Nxe6) 31. QxR RxQ 32. Nd3 ( not Nxe6 as 32...Bd8! traps the knight with Kf7 next)? Don't the exchanges relieve some pressure off the white position?
Feb-02-12  Edeltalent: Amazing stretch between 16.Rac1 and 22.Kg1 - with every move, Black moves forward, and White retreats (with the exception of one measly pawn move).
Feb-02-12  Everett: Yes, the hedgehog has that four pawn front, but many here are not mentioning the absolutely crucial half-open c-file. QID and Shveningen (sp?) Sicilians are the basic opening systems that achieve the set-up.
Feb-02-12
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  Siksika: <Bobwhoosta> I believe that it was Pjalle who said <Lazy people tend to justify their own mediocrity by blaming bad genes or lack of 'talent' but behind every 'genius' lies years and sometimes decades of hard focused work.> Not twoinchgroup. He just agreed.

But, wait a minute here, it looks as though Bobwhootsa can't help himself.

Hey Bobwhootsa, in order to determine a "fundamental" shift in someones view you would have to know their original view as opposed to their current view. What is twoinchgroup's original view here? I didn't read about it in any of his posts so how is it that you think there might be a shift on how he views the rest of life? Additionally, how would this question impact the rest of his life or mine for that matter????

What if God did give Magnus the talent( I think he did) that he possesses? I agree with twoinchgroup..."who cares"? Who cares what the blend ratio is? It's about the game and how beautiful it is. Magnus just "is" and praise God for him. What if you divined the exact ratio of talent and hardwork in Magnus? Would it matter? NO! Again, the result is only a beautiful chess game.

Guess what, it sounds to me like Bobwhootsa thinks he has every answer to this pointless question. You know what? Great! Bobwhootsa has every answer to a ridiculous question! Woohoo!

It should be obvious by now that I think the whole question is trivial and I don't personally need an answer to it.

But really, how is it that this question is so important that to think it is trivial would make one a fool? Really Bobwhootsa? IMO such a statement in itself "bespeaks" your poor attempt at sounding condescending and authoritative when actually you sound like a dork.

twoinchgroup didn't call anybody foolish as I read his comments above. Likewise I don't believe twoinchgroup considered anything a forgone conclusion he just thought the whole question was vain...as do I.

Sorry but there are in fact some very stupid questions that can be asked in life and you happen to be championing one of them.

Feb-02-12
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  ajile: <Everett: Yes, the hedgehog has that four pawn front, but many here are not mentioning the absolutely crucial half-open c-file. QID and Shveningen (sp?) Sicilians are the basic opening systems that achieve the set-up.>

Yes at some point Black needs to strike at the center. I used to play like this years ago but the better players would crush me if I just waited as Black. White can build a big space advantage and then attack at will wherever he wants. So Black needs to strike somewhere like ..c5 in the above Sicilian examples.

Feb-02-12  SynthStatic: Weird coincidence that this is game of the day, I was wanting to analyze this game today. Funny how things work sometimes, especially in this game, black seems restricted then he trades the light square bishop and his position just blossoms into life come move 17.
Feb-02-12
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  maxi: I have watched "Groundhog Day" many times, and I always enjoy it. It has some quite extraordinary scenes.
Feb-03-12  checkmateyourmove: thanks for the free lesson guys on hedghog
Nov-20-13
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  Richard Taylor: < tonsillolith: Agreed, <Domdaniel>.

Another thing to add is that some people are hard workers by nature.

I wish I was a much harder worker, but it's exceedingly difficult to alter my laziness. So why should any of my prowess be downplayed due to lack of hard work? >

I am the greatest man or human in the world - tragically, however, this "greatness" is curtailed by my enormous and tireless capacity to do nothing for hours on end.

However, it has become apparent to me that my greatness lies in my absolute failure to achieve anything whatsoever. In fact, I think, that at last count,I had lost 2000 chess games in row. I had failed with women etc and more importantly I had been sacked from every job I ever was employed at. But I was not "quietly desperate" like the Great Herd, for indeed one has to actually experience emotions and hunger etc to feel "desperate"...No, I was what a psychologist explained as ( as he called the syndrome), a "failed error." This, this sudden realisation of my capacity to fail and do nothing for hours on end: all this came together in a kind of 'eclairissement', and this non-excitement moved me to consider the great advantages of failing. So I applied for Government aid (I had a disability, I was, well, basically "useless" in all areas of life as well as suffering from terminal and total laziness and overall stupidity): and indeed I was soon happily spending the last 40 years doing, well, nothing. Nothing at all. Nothing. There is nothing more to say.

Mar-25-14  Mating Net: After 6 years to reflect, I think this game really epitomizes the style of play that Magnus strived for enroute to the world title. The steady squeeze and exploitation of a slight advantage until it turns into an overwhelming position. Hard to imitate, so don't try it at home.
Apr-14-14
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  Check It Out: Yes, this game has that feel of Magnus coming in to his prime.
Nov-28-14  QueentakesKing: Kramnik was lured in taking the (bait) 29.) Qxa6. And how he did not see any problem perplexes me, wow!
Apr-21-16  ewan14: Petrosian - esque ?

( v Keres 1959 ? )

Jun-01-16
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  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini: d 26

1. (-0.98): 36.Kf1 Ng5 37.Rd6 e4 38.Bc1 Rxc2 39.Nxc2 Ra2 40.Rc6 Nf3 41.Ke2 Bd8 42.Kd1 h5 43.Rc8 Ke8 44.Rb8 h4 45.gxh4 Kd7 46.Rb7+ Kc8 47.Rh7 Bxh4 48.Rh8+ Kd7 49.Rh7+ Be7 50.Nd4 Kd6 51.Nxf3 exf3 52.Bd2 Bd8 53.Rb7 Ra1+ 54.Bc1 Bc7 55.Kc2 Kd7 56.e4 Kc8 57.Bb2 Kxb7 58.Bxa1 fxe4

2. (-1.10): 36.Rdc1 Ng5 37.Kf1 e4 38.Bd4 Bxd4 39.exd4 Rxc2 40.Rxc2 Rd7 41.Rc4 Rd5 42.Ke2 Rxb5 43.Rc7+ Kf6 44.Rc4 Ke7 45.Ke3 Kd6 46.Nc2 Nf3 47.Rc8 h5 48.Rd8+ Ke7 49.Rh8 Nxh2 50.Kf4 Nf3 51.Rxh5 Rd5 52.Rh7+ Kf6 53.Rh6+ Kf7 54.Ke3 Rd8 55.Kf4

Jun-01-16
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  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini d 26

1. (-1.09): 35...Rea7 36.Rdc1 Ng5 37.Rc7+ Rxc7 38.Rxc7+ Ke8 39.Rc8+ Kd7 40.Rc2 Ra4 41.Rc4 Ne4 42.Kg2 Nd6 43.Rc6 Rxb4 44.Rxd6+ Kxd6 45.Ba3 Kc5 46.Nc2 Kc4 47.Bxb4 Kb3 48.Bd6 Kxc2 49.Bc7 Kb3 50.Bxb6 Kb4 51.Ba7 Kxb5 52.h3 gxh3+ 53.Kxh3 h5 54.Kg2 Kc4 55.Kf1 Kd3 56.Bc5 e4 57.Bd6 Bg7 58.Kg2 Bc3

Jun-01-16
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  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini: d 27

1.
(-1.11): 34...dxe5 35.Rc2 Rea7 36.Rdc1 Ng5 37.Rc7+ Rxc7 38.Rxc7+ Ke8 39.Rc8+ Kd7 40.Rc2 Ra4 41.Rc4 Ne4 42.Kg2 Nd6 43.Rc6 Rxb4 44.Rxd6+ Kxd6 45.Ba3 Kc5 46.Nc2 Kc4 47.Bxb4 Kb3 48.Bd6 Kxc2 49.Bc7 Kb3 50.Bxb6 Kb4 51.Ba7 Kxb5 52.h3 gxh3+ 53.Kxh3 h5 54.Kg2 Kc4 55.Kf1 Kd3 56.Bc5 e4 57.Bd6 Bg7 58.Kg2 Bc3

Jun-01-16
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  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini:d 29

1. (-0.34): 34.Bxe5 dxe5 35.Rc6 Rb7 36.Kg2 Bg7 37.Nc2 Kf6 38.Nc1 Rb2 39.Nd3 Rb3 40.Na1 Ra3 41.Nc2 Rc3 42.Nce1 Rxc6 43.bxc6 Rc7 44.Rc1 Nd6 45.h3 gxh3+ 46.Kxh3 Nb5 47.g4 Na7 48.gxf5 Kxf5 49.b5 Nxb5 50.Rb1 Na7 51.Rxb6 Nxc6 52.Ng2 Bf8 53.f3 Be7 54.Nf2 Kg6 55.Ne4 Kf7 56.Kg4 Rc8 57.Ng5+ Bxg5 58.Kxg5 Rg8+ 59.Kh6

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