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Geza Maroczy / Robert Rollans vs Viktor Korchnoi
"Soul Mate" (game of the day Jun-23-2016)
Spiritualist Exhibition game (1985) (exhibition), ?, Jun-15
French Defense: Winawer. Poisoned Pawn Variation Paoli Variation (C18)  ·  0-1
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Mar-03-08  Autoreparaturwerkbau: <Sneaky> Honestly, i don't believe in any spiritual crap. This game isn't an exception.
Mar-03-08  znprdx: Well if I ever return to classical tournament Chess - I'll see if Robert James ------- can act as my coach: not of course during the game - because then I would be invincible :)

However I'll see if his "invisible hand" guides me during an upcoming Blitz night.....

Mar-03-08  karnak64: <Sneaky: Perhaps a silly question: Does anybody here believe for a second that it's possible that the ghost of Maroczy was actually playing this game?>

In the words of the Great Criswell in his epilogue to "Plan 9 from Outer Space": "Can you prove that it didn't happen?"

Mar-03-08  Tomlinsky: I wonder if Shirov could still manage to get into time trouble playing from the other side with the clock preset to eternity?
Mar-03-08  drpoundsign: winner gets Demi Moore..loser dragged down by the storm sewer furies. I seen it in a movie...
Mar-03-08  fictionist: Finally this game has been featured in CG.com. Having a knack for paranormal/supernatural things, I consider this a precious game in my collection.
Mar-03-08  fictionist: <Sneaky> I do believe in such "claims" that this could have been the ghost of Maroczy. Though actually, a medium was said to make the moves dictated by "Maroczy".
Mar-03-08
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  Domdaniel: <karnak64> - <Can you prove that it didn't happen?>

Well, um, no. I'm intrigued, though, by the question of how chess theory percolates through to the afterlife -- this line of the Winawer just didn't exist in Maroczy's time, and even a ghost would have problems reinventing it. Today, of course, the ghost would use his <I AM HE> (Internet, Access Module, Help Ectoplasmic) ... but this was 1985.

Maybe he'd been reading John Moles' classic 1970s book on the Mainline Winawer?

<drpoundsign> Korchnoi got Demi Moore? So *that's* what happened ...

Mar-03-08  cyruslaihy: < pawn to QB4 >try the french advance with 1e4 e6 2d4 d5 3e5 c4 4c6 Nc6 5Nf3 Qb6 6 a3 is mentioned in a book called beating the french , you mave be able to create a hole on e5
Mar-03-08  MaxxLange: what rubbish
Mar-03-08  cyruslaihy: its by gary lane i think
Mar-03-08  percyblakeney: Maybe this thing about the ghost of Maroczy playing white was just a hoax by Rollans, and it was actually the ghost of Schlechter?!
Mar-03-08  MichAdams: <this line of the Winawer just didn't exist in Maroczy's time>

Which line?

Mar-03-08
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  Domdaniel: <cyruslaihy> There's a *bit* more to the French than that, though there's nothing wrong with the Advance Variation. Two recent books on it, by Lev Psakhis and Sam Collins, imply that it can be as sharp and theoretical as the Winawer. Take a look at some Grischuk games.
Mar-03-08  percyblakeney: According to "The Even More Complete Chess Addict" Lewis White Fox played a series of games (with the help of his wife, who was a medium) against the dead James Mason. After several sacrifices Mason blundered away the final game, claiming that he could no longer see the board.
Mar-03-08  PinnedPiece: <Sneaky: Perhaps a silly question: Does anybody here believe for a second that it's possible that the ghost of Maroczy was actually playing this game?> Depends on character of Robert Rollans, to us an unknown. Article that <Mrmelad> found says he was selected since he was known to be "honest". How does a medium get a reputation for honesty???? That's my first question.

Then the facts surrounding this are a bit murky. 7 years or three years? According to the article, game was played over 7 years. Other sources say 3 years. (1985-1988). I think it very likely that someone in the Chess community in Germany (and not very good) helped out the medium.

Do the white moves look anything like any other game Maroczy ever played and recorded? The vague description "old fashioned play" I take to mean "not very good". (Not that I'm any good...takes one to know one so to speak...)

Biographical "facts" in the article, sound like a mishmash of whatever information someone could get their hands on. Romih vs Romi? Maybe it was Rollans who was able to supply the rare San Remo program that settled the issue.

Entertaining: Yes.
Convincing: Not in this case.

Mar-03-08  drpoundsign: need the boys with the proton packs to settle this one
Mar-03-08
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  Domdaniel: My game collection, Game Collection: Spirit of Saint Nimzo, has some games where one player *seems* to be channeling Nimzowitsch. Sulskis in 2006 is the most convincing example.

No actual spookery or hocus-pocusery is implied.

Mar-03-08  drpoundsign: played Bobby Fischer yesterday but his side of the chess board got hot and caught fire. do ya' supoose....
Mar-03-08  percyblakeney: Without questioning the good friends Rollans and (the chess enthusiast) Eisenbeiss one does wonder why it took weeks to get a single move when Rollans could produce 38 pages of biographical information on Maroczy in one single evening. After all, if it was some kind of hoax it would have been a bad one if it was made totally without some preliminary research. Korchnoi asked for Capablanca, by the way, but got Maroczy instead.
Mar-03-08
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  Jimfromprovidence: <Ipecac>

Someone "from beyond the grave" evidently moved the king to a better square in your diagram after 40...Rh8.

Mar-03-08
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  kevin86: I bet if I tried to "channel" a game with Alekhine-I would get Dan Rather instead. I know,he's alive and on c/net. The good news is that it would be hard to find a more obscure channel. lol
Mar-03-08  Jack Kerouac: For a mere pittance, I'll channel my good freind Cassady for a game.....
Mar-03-08
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  whiteshark: By hook or by crook a trifle too spectral.
Mar-03-08  PinnedPiece: Korchnoi certainly liked the French, Winawer: three games in CG.com database with Korchnoi following today's game through:

... move 9 with Spassky (1977): Spassky vs Korchnoi, 1977

...through move 8 with Timman: Timman vs Korchnoi, 1976

...through move 7 with Spassky (1977): Spassky vs Korchnoi, 1977

CG.com database does not show Maroczy ever playing this French variation as white or black while alive. If he has continued growth as a player while dead, you'd think he could at least beat Korchnoi with this opening.

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