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Teimour Radjabov vs Viswanathan Anand
Morelia-Linares (2008), Linares ESP, rd 11, Mar-03
Caro-Kann Defense: Classical. Flohr Variation (B18)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Mar-03-08  chessmoron: Someone beat this guy!!!

They can't let Anand do the 'drawfest' victory dance.

Mar-03-08  gopal936: As carlsen leko is heading for draw at least carlsen can not win so Anand will not take risk.
Mar-03-08
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  whiteshark: 6.Nh3 came out of the woodwork and shortly afterwards v.v.
Mar-03-08  dabearsrock1010: what an exciting game!!
Mar-03-08  Abejorral: No more Drawanand, i hope wheter Topalov or Carlsen will win the tournament to punish his draw strategie to win, what a shame..

Radjabov, has been also the Draw man of this Linares, he shoudnt receive an invitation for the next one.

There´s players with better attitude of winning, Kamsky could be invited instead of him.

Mar-03-08  dramas79: < Someone beat this guy!!!

They can't let Anand do the 'drawfest' victory dance.> ?? Anand should take unnecessary risks with black? Already he is doing that with white (and not getting good positions anyway). I think this is one tournament where a drawfest tag is unwarranted. Anand himself has 5 decisive games from 11 (about 45.5%)Maybe people want not only decisive games but also spread out in a way pleasing to them. Last years Linares was a greater drawfest and Anand already has as many decisive games with 3 rounds to go as then.

Mar-03-08  Udit Narayan: Drawnand LOL
Mar-03-08  erniecohen: <Generally, if a move is played by a former world champion and a 2700+ GM, it's more fruitful to figure out why they played it rather than quickly concluding that it "stinks.">

yes, "stinks" was too strong a word. My last two looks in I arrived just in time for Shirov to play ...c6 against Carlsen and for Ivanchuk to play h4 against Topalov, so I was predisposed to pessimism. And sure, it's probably a draw regardless. But white can at least try to put some pressure on, e.g. 15. ♖fe1 ♗d6 16. ♗f3 ♘bd5 17. ♗g5. Does somebody have an engine handy?

Mar-03-08
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  keypusher: <erniecohen> I haven't got an engine, but if I were Black I'd play 15....Bc5 against 15. Rfe1. If then 16. Bf3 then ...Nc4 17. Bc3 Rxd1 18. Rxd1 Rd8. I don't think 15. Rfe1 puts any more pressure on than 15. Bc1 does. It's not worth killing a lot of brain cells over -- White has a very slight advantage no matter what. I am sure any engine would give him a positive evaluation at the point where the draw is agreed. But if White wants decent winning chances (at least at the 2700 level; down where I reside I'd happily play the White side for a long time) he probably needs to start looking for improvements well before move 15.
Mar-03-08  BlackNightmare: <gopal936: >..but topa is reducing the gap
Mar-03-08
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  Domdaniel: <Mateo> - <is it organic?> In the sense of being attached to an organ, yes. In the everyday sense, I've no idea what it is ... I'm on the inside looking out, after all.
Mar-03-08  Monoceros: Anand's getting the blame for the short draw, eh?

Drawn games in chessgames.com played by Anand and no more than 20 moves: 202 Total number of Anand's games: 2161

Drawishness by this measure = approx 9.3%

Yeah, guess there's something to the "Drawnand" label. (At least it's a change from "Drawnik" and "Drewko".) But...

Drawn games 20 moves or fewer for Radjabov: 82
Total number of games for Radjabov: 820
Drawishness = 10%

Maybe "Drawjabov" should be the cry, then?

Oh, by the way, by the same measure, favorite chessgames.com whipping boy Peter Leko scores only 6.2%.

Mar-03-08
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  minasina: There were live commentaries: http://www.chessdom.com/morelia-lin... with Goran Urosevic

http://chesspro.ru/chessonline/onli... with GM Sergey Zagrebelny (RUS) (“Translated”: http://www.google.com/translate?u=h... The board is not functioning at the translated page)

Mar-03-08
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  Domdaniel: <Monoceros> At last! Scientific proof!

In part-mitigation of Radjabov, a (slightly) weaker player, relatively speaking, thrown into an elite event with a bunch of sharks, may be doing well to draw.

And what's wrong with a draw anyway? I suspect the majority of those who object to draws are American, and thus culturally unfamiliar with the 'tie' concept in sports. The soccer world has other ideas.

Mar-03-08  you vs yourself: <Domdaniel> Radjabov has a +1 score against both Kasparov and Anand. He's an underrated shark:)

Mar-03-08  dabearsrock1010: <domdaniel> i dont mind a draw. I mind a 17 move draw.
Mar-03-08  dabearsrock1010: and im an american(but i watch soccer)
Mar-03-08  ajile: I'm sorry but this game was just too exciting for me. Someone call a paramedic.
Mar-04-08  dramas79: What do guys want? Anand has already 3 wins with black. Is he supposed to win/lose all of his black games? I know, the easy way to satisfy everyone is to lose a few more games just to get decisive results. However, one trend that I notice is that generally draws with Anand are shorter than the decisive games as if he feels that a fight will not be fruitful. This may be smart in the short run as it conserves energy but may be bad against Kramnik.
Mar-04-08  ahmadov: No matter we are happy with the game or not, Anand got what he wanted from this game - a half point.
Mar-04-08
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  plang: <acirce: Given that Tal and Botvinnik were such obscure players, it is highly unlikely that they know about the game.>

Both players said after the game that they were not familiar with the Tal-Botvinnik game.

Mar-04-08  Riverbeast: Radjabov was the one playing innocuously, and he most likely offered the draw after Bd3...you can't fault Anand for taking the draw with black...when a strong player plays for a draw with white, there's not much you can do...Anand has no real winning chances in this position
Mar-04-08
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  Domdaniel: <plang> - <Both players said after the game that they were not familiar with the Tal-Botvinnik game.>

That's interesting, though perhaps not totally unexpected given the time they took to 'replay' it. It just shows, yet again, that strong players will find strong moves -- a couple of times I've 'lured' masters into opening lines they were unfamiliar with, only for them to take some time and then play all the best moves.

Mar-04-08
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  acirce: I did not expect them to have learned Tal-Botvinnik by heart, but it's slightly surprising if none of them even know about it.

<Riverbeast> Yes, once you play the Caro-Kann it's extremely hard to drum up winning chances against a strong enough White player who does not allow you to get them. It's hard anyway, of course, but a Sicilian makes it harder to "kill" the game. It's clear that Anand did not at all mind a draw, and I don't fault him, obviously. Given the tournament situation I would have agreed to a draw after 5 moves if White had offered one.

Mar-05-08  rover: <Given the tournament situation I would have agreed to a draw after 5 moves if White had offered one.>

Yes, but you would do it anyway just to spite the draw-haters. ;-)

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