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|May-21-08|| ||diabloprancer: w00t, I got this one immediately! I guess I'm stuck in Monday mode since I automatically went for the queen sac. Although I must admit I stopped calculating after 23.Nf6+...|
|May-21-08|| ||keypusher: Very attractive combination, <frogbert>!|
|May-21-08|| ||234: Tuesday puzzle <23. ?> May-20-08 Anderssen vs Zukertort, 1865|
|May-21-08|| ||sitzkrieg: At last frogbert gets the attention he so much wants and deserves ! I am glad he decided to stay here, despite his complaints about this fine site!|
Nice combo too!
|May-21-08|| ||sitzkrieg: <so, the real puzzle here is: what should white have played on his 19th move?>
what is it?
|May-21-08|| ||vescovifan: I was looking at 20. Nf6+, if 20..Kf8 21. Bd6+ Bd6 22. Qxc8 Rxc8 Rxc8+ with mate next. And if it gets a lil tricky 20.. Kh1 21. Nh5 (21..g6 22. Be5+ Kg8 23. Rxc8+ Rxc8 24. Qxc8+ Bf8 Bh7!) and 21...Rg8 Be5 22. f6 Nxf6! wins also i think.. A stronger player needs to check this but at least to me looks like most of it is forced.|
|May-21-08|| ||Billy Vaughan: <At last frogbert gets the attention he so much wants and deserves ! I am glad he decided to stay here, despite his complaints about this fine site!>|
Oh, must we? I do my best not to participate in flame wars and lingering grudges; if you must bait the flame, do so in private where you don't ruin it for the rest of us.
|May-21-08|| ||Riverbeast: Frogbert - I hear people are saying you got lucky in this game!|
And Magnus Carlsen could never make a combination like this! Because he is lucky also, but not as lucky as you!
|May-21-08|| ||frogbert: riverbeast, i also hear they say that great players create their own luck ;P ... duh. :o)|
i think you need to consider 17. qg4? and 19. nd7? efforts on implementing an equal playing field. it failed, though... :o)
seriously, a strong player like you probably needs something tougher. recently, in the norwegian team championship (different from the more prestigeous norwegian league, top division, the latter being played over 6 boards with several decent foreign players participating), my club faced the eventual winners in round 4 of 6. i played on the 4th and last board against fm ole christian moen (fide 2231).
having the white pieces, i decided to avoid his marshall, and we left "well-known" territory (well, in chessbase's online database, there is one game until white's move 16) when i played 16. bd2 (nc3 was tried in the other game, which ended a draw):
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 b5 6.Bb3 Be7 7.Re1 0-0 8.h3 Bb7 9.c3 d5 10.exd5 Nxd5 11.d4 Na5 12.Bc2 exd4 13.cxd4 Nb4 14.Be4 Bxe4 15.Rxe4 c5 16.Bd2 c4
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here i took almost 15 minutes checking the tactics until i decided on 17. a3!? and as expected my opponent replied 17... nb3.
now, the question for you, riverbeast: what are the possible continuations, and what do you think about the somewhat unusual material (im)balance that might (and actually did) occur? :o)
i'll try to get the complete pgn uploaded some other day, but i have to admit that this opponent didn't play flawlessly either (despite being an fm and everything), so i guess we're back to the "standard" luck explanation here, too. ;o)
|May-21-08|| ||InspiredByMorphy: <Shams> <so, the real puzzle here is: what should white have played on his 19th move?> You meant blacks 19th move. White should at least win the exchange, but black could have continued with 19. ...Nxc7 20.Nxf8 Rxf8 .|
|May-21-08|| ||zb2cr: Managed to find this one after a minute or so of looking. The possibility of a King flight to h6 after the Rook check is the only thing that makes it challenging. Seeing the mating pattern with the N on f6, the Bishop on the c1-h6 diagonal, and the Rook is a bit difficult for average patzers like me. I have nothing to add to the comments.|
Congratulations to frogbert.
|May-22-08|| ||Shams: <<InspiredByMorphy:> <Shams> <so, the real puzzle here is: what should white have played on his 19th move?> You meant blacks 19th move.>|
no, I meant white's-- as has been pointed out, 19.Nd7? was a losing blunder if black found ...f5.
|May-22-08|| ||Riverbeast: <Frogbert> I'm sure you know I was joking about the 'luck'....I was pretending to be one of the Carlsen bashers you love so much. This was actually a very nice win on your part. |
As far as the position from your other game, I'm assuming after 17. a3 Nb3 you played 18. Rxe7 winning two pieces for the rook?
If you did, then I like white's game!
|May-22-08|| ||kevin86: I missed this one---what a queen sac!! It looks almost like an Anastasia's mate-but instead of mate,the procedure confines the king to the a-file. The other pieces took it from there.|
|May-22-08|| ||kevin86: A little addenda:
21...♔h8 22 ♗e5+ f6 23 ♗xf6#
btw,24 ♖g4# or 24 ♗g5# is also possible.
|May-22-08|| ||Riverbeast: <frogbert> I just saw a zwischenzug in that last variation....After 17. a3 Nb3 18. Rxe7, black has 18...Nd5 or Nc6. |
White seems to lose an exchange.
Post the next few moves, if you remember them. I would be curious to see what happened.
|May-22-08|| ||frogbert: <I'm sure you know I was joking about the 'luck'....>|
riverbeast, don't worry, i understood as much :o)
<Post the next few moves, if you remember them.>
sure i remember them - it's less than a month since i played this game :o) i had considered nd5/c6 before i played a3, but did i voluntarily enter a line where i was losing an exchange for <nothing>? my opponent chose 18... nd5, btw - i think it's really hard to say for sure which move is better, that or nc6 (rather different continuations, though).
but like i said, this was a slightly more difficult "puzzle", even if it doesn't win anything - it's just some slightly fancy tactics where you need to calculate quite many moves ahead before entering the complications with 17. a3 :o) so, how did i answer nd5? remember what i said about unusual material (im)balance in my previous post - it was a hint. :o)
|May-22-08|| ||patzer2: For the Wednesday, May 21, 2008 puzzle solution, White initiates a mate-in-five with the Queen pseudo-sacrifice 20. Qxg7+!|
|May-23-08|| ||InspiredByMorphy: Nevermind my above proposed improvement for black. It still loses to 19. ...Nxc7 20.Nf6+ Kh8 21.Rh3 h6 22.Rxh6+ gxh6 23.Qf5 with mate to follow. Looks like one will have to look earlier in the game for an improvement for black.|
|May-24-08|| ||chancho: Good stuff <frogbert>.|
|Aug-09-08|| ||OneArmedScissor: It's better to be lucky than good.
Nice game :)
|Jan-06-10|| ||corbulo: Beautiful game <frogbert>, it was a pleasure to play through.|
|Apr-09-10|| ||binno: from a player rated 1951. I propose this for GOTD.|
|Dec-26-12|| ||FSR: Nice game, <frogbert>! Reminds me of Waitzkin vs E Frumkin, 1987 and D Saxton vs H Ohman, 1947.|
|Dec-26-12|| ||FSR: Frogmarched.|
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