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Hans Arild Runde vs Morten Jensen
ASKOs KM , gr. A (2003), Blindern, Oslo, rd 6, Apr-08
Caro-Kann Defense: Panov Attack (B14)  ·  1-0


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May-21-08  diabloprancer: w00t, I got this one immediately! I guess I'm stuck in Monday mode since I automatically went for the queen sac. Although I must admit I stopped calculating after 23.Nf6+...
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  keypusher: Very attractive combination, <frogbert>!
May-21-08  234: Tuesday puzzle <23. ?> May-20-08 Anderssen vs Zukertort, 1865
May-21-08  sitzkrieg: At last frogbert gets the attention he so much wants and deserves ! I am glad he decided to stay here, despite his complaints about this fine site!

Nice combo too!

May-21-08  sitzkrieg: <so, the real puzzle here is: what should white have played on his 19th move?> what is it?
May-21-08  vescovifan: I was looking at 20. Nf6+, if 20..Kf8 21. Bd6+ Bd6 22. Qxc8 Rxc8 Rxc8+ with mate next. And if it gets a lil tricky 20.. Kh1 21. Nh5 (21..g6 22. Be5+ Kg8 23. Rxc8+ Rxc8 24. Qxc8+ Bf8 Bh7!) and 21...Rg8 Be5 22. f6 Nxf6! wins also i think.. A stronger player needs to check this but at least to me looks like most of it is forced.
May-21-08  Billy Vaughan: <At last frogbert gets the attention he so much wants and deserves ! I am glad he decided to stay here, despite his complaints about this fine site!>

Oh, must we? I do my best not to participate in flame wars and lingering grudges; if you must bait the flame, do so in private where you don't ruin it for the rest of us.

May-21-08  Riverbeast: Frogbert - I hear people are saying you got lucky in this game!

And Magnus Carlsen could never make a combination like this! Because he is lucky also, but not as lucky as you!


May-21-08  frogbert: riverbeast, i also hear they say that great players create their own luck ;P ... duh. :o)

i think you need to consider 17. qg4? and 19. nd7? efforts on implementing an equal playing field. it failed, though... :o)

seriously, a strong player like you probably needs something tougher. recently, in the norwegian team championship (different from the more prestigeous norwegian league, top division, the latter being played over 6 boards with several decent foreign players participating), my club faced the eventual winners in round 4 of 6. i played on the 4th and last board against fm ole christian moen (fide 2231).

having the white pieces, i decided to avoid his marshall, and we left "well-known" territory (well, in chessbase's online database, there is one game until white's move 16) when i played 16. bd2 (nc3 was tried in the other game, which ended a draw):

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 b5 6.Bb3 Be7 7.Re1 0-0 8.h3 Bb7 9.c3 d5 10.exd5 Nxd5 11.d4 Na5 12.Bc2 exd4 13.cxd4 Nb4 14.Be4 Bxe4 15.Rxe4 c5 16.Bd2 c4

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here i took almost 15 minutes checking the tactics until i decided on 17. a3!? and as expected my opponent replied 17... nb3.

now, the question for you, riverbeast: what are the possible continuations, and what do you think about the somewhat unusual material (im)balance that might (and actually did) occur? :o)

i'll try to get the complete pgn uploaded some other day, but i have to admit that this opponent didn't play flawlessly either (despite being an fm and everything), so i guess we're back to the "standard" luck explanation here, too. ;o)

May-21-08  InspiredByMorphy: <Shams> <so, the real puzzle here is: what should white have played on his 19th move?> You meant blacks 19th move. White should at least win the exchange, but black could have continued with 19. ...Nxc7 20.Nxf8 Rxf8 .
May-21-08  zb2cr: Managed to find this one after a minute or so of looking. The possibility of a King flight to h6 after the Rook check is the only thing that makes it challenging. Seeing the mating pattern with the N on f6, the Bishop on the c1-h6 diagonal, and the Rook is a bit difficult for average patzers like me. I have nothing to add to the comments.

Congratulations to frogbert.

May-22-08  Shams: <<InspiredByMorphy:> <Shams> <so, the real puzzle here is: what should white have played on his 19th move?> You meant blacks 19th move.>

no, I meant white's-- as has been pointed out, 19.Nd7? was a losing blunder if black found ...f5.

May-22-08  Riverbeast: <Frogbert> I'm sure you know I was joking about the 'luck'....I was pretending to be one of the Carlsen bashers you love so much. This was actually a very nice win on your part.

As far as the position from your other game, I'm assuming after 17. a3 Nb3 you played 18. Rxe7 winning two pieces for the rook?

If you did, then I like white's game!

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  kevin86: I missed this one---what a queen sac!! It looks almost like an Anastasia's mate-but instead of mate,the procedure confines the king to the a-file. The other pieces took it from there.
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  kevin86: A little addenda:

21...♔h8 22 ♗e5+ f6 23 ♗xf6#

btw,24 ♖g4# or 24 ♗g5# is also possible.

May-22-08  Riverbeast: <frogbert> I just saw a zwischenzug in that last variation....After 17. a3 Nb3 18. Rxe7, black has 18...Nd5 or Nc6.

White seems to lose an exchange.

Post the next few moves, if you remember them. I would be curious to see what happened.

May-22-08  frogbert: <I'm sure you know I was joking about the 'luck'....>

riverbeast, don't worry, i understood as much :o)

<Post the next few moves, if you remember them.>

sure i remember them - it's less than a month since i played this game :o) i had considered nd5/c6 before i played a3, but did i voluntarily enter a line where i was losing an exchange for <nothing>? my opponent chose 18... nd5, btw - i think it's really hard to say for sure which move is better, that or nc6 (rather different continuations, though).

but like i said, this was a slightly more difficult "puzzle", even if it doesn't win anything - it's just some slightly fancy tactics where you need to calculate quite many moves ahead before entering the complications with 17. a3 :o) so, how did i answer nd5? remember what i said about unusual material (im)balance in my previous post - it was a hint. :o)

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  patzer2: For the Wednesday, May 21, 2008 puzzle solution, White initiates a mate-in-five with the Queen pseudo-sacrifice 20. Qxg7+!
May-23-08  InspiredByMorphy: Nevermind my above proposed improvement for black. It still loses to 19. ...Nxc7 20.Nf6+ Kh8 21.Rh3 h6 22.Rxh6+ gxh6 23.Qf5 with mate to follow. Looks like one will have to look earlier in the game for an improvement for black.
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  chancho: Good stuff <frogbert>.
Aug-09-08  OneArmedScissor: It's better to be lucky than good.

Nice game :)

Jan-06-10  corbulo: Beautiful game <frogbert>, it was a pleasure to play through.
Apr-09-10  binno: from a player rated 1951. I propose this for GOTD.
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  FSR: Nice game, <frogbert>! Reminds me of Waitzkin vs E Frumkin, 1987 and D Saxton vs H Ohman, 1947.
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  FSR: Frogmarched.
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