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Carlos Jauregui vs Joao de Souza Mendes Jr.
"Red Hot Chile Peppers" (game of the day Dec-06-2008)
Santiago (1959), Santiago CHI, rd 1, Apr-20
English Opening: Symmetrical. Anti-Benoni Variation Spielmann Defense (A32)  ·  1-0
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Apr-04-08  holland oats: <MScoville>, <outplayer>:

16.Bd1+ is losing for white because it allows Ng4 with the threat of Qxh2 and suddenly black has the initiative. Instead simply 16.Re3 and the threat of Rh3# forces Qxh2 17.Kxh2

Apr-04-08  wals: Static evaluation: Black up a pawn. Files d & e half open for white.

No killer move demanding immediate attention. Black appears to have the better of the attacking options. e.g Qxc4 or Nxc4, exf5. winning material for almost free.

Dynamic evaluation: Bg5 to remove Nf3 protecting h7,( and g7 after Ne8.) Qd3 for a battery on the diagonal b2-h7, (or Qg4 or Qh5, after removal of Nf6), Re3 for back-up move to h3. Ne7+ to throw a cat amongst the pigeons. Let's try and string it all together.

13.Ne7+ ...Kh8 14.Bg5 ...Ne8 15.Qh5

PM=

just too clever for me.

Apr-04-08  sallom89: far away from getting it.. even though i thought about night sac on g7 :/
Apr-04-08
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  johnlspouge: Here is computer-assisted analysis from Toga II 1.3.1 and me. I apologize in advance for its length. Believe me, I wish it did not feel like Sunday.

Friday (Difficult): White to play and win.

Material: Down a P. White has 2Bs bearing down on the Black K-side, with Qd1 and Re1 on open files. The White Nc3 requires activation, but all other White pieces except Ra1 are ready to attack. The Black Q-side is undeveloped, and many Black pieces are misplaced for K-side defense, particularly Na4, Ra8, and Bc8. The Black K-side defense rests largely with Nf6. The White Nf5 is the salient feature of the position, but Pe6 threatens it.

Candidates (13.): Nxg7, Ne4, Nh6+

13.Nxg7 (threatening 14.Nh5, denuding the Black K-side)

Black can accept the sacrifice.

(1) 13Kxg7 14.Bh6+

Again, Black can accept the sacrifice.

(1.1) 14Kxh6 15.Qd2+

(1.1.1) 15Kh5 16.Re3 (threatening 17.Rh3+ and mate soon)

16Qxh2+ 17.Kxh2 Ng4+ 18.K moves

White has material advantage and a huge attack.

(1.1.2) 15Kg7 16.Qg5+ Kh8 17.Qxf6+ Kg8 18.Bxh7+ Kxh7 19.Re4,

and mate soon.

(1.2) 14Kh8 15.Qd4

(1.2.1) 15Be7 16.Bxf8, regaining material with the attack.

(1.2.2) 15Qd8 16.Bg5 Kg7 17.Qh4,

threatening 17.Bxf6+ Qxf6 18.Qxh7#

18h5 18.Bh6+ Kxh6 [else, mate soon]

19.Qf4+ Kg7 20.Qg5+ Kh8 21.Qh6+ Kg8 22.Re5,

then 23.Rxh5 24.Qh7#

(1.3) 14Kg8 15.Qf3,

threatening 16.Qxf6, 16.Ne4, and possibly 16.Qg3+ and 16.Qg4+

(1.3.1) 15Bxc3 16.bxc3 Ne8 17.Qg4+ Kh8 18.Bxf8, gaining material

(1.3.2) 15Ne8 16.Bxh7+ Kxh7 17.Bxf8,

regaining material with the attack, because of

17Bxf8 18.Qxf7+ then 19.Re3

threatening 20.Rh3, so Black hemorrhages material.

Black can decline the sacrifice.

(2) 13Bxc3,

according to Toga, the best way to decline the sacrifice, but the exchange of Pc4 and Ng7 for Pg7 and Nf6 must produce a winning attack for White.

Apr-04-08  012: Thursday puzzle <18. ...?> Apr-03-08 A Anastasian vs Yermolinsky, 1987
Apr-04-08
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  whiteshark: Hindsight is easier than foresight. :(
Apr-04-08  kevinmevin: i know this must sound really stupid... but can someone please tell me why these matches end, when there is no checkmate occurring? ive been wondering this lately, because its as if these matches dont end... someone please let me know, im aching to figure this out.
Apr-04-08
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  johnlspouge: <<Jimfromprovidence> wrote: I got hung up when I had black play 13....Bxc3.>

Thanks for the analysis, <Jimfromprovidence>, which saved me the trouble. I have a headache.

Apr-04-08
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  DarthStapler: I got the first move
Apr-04-08
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  dzechiel: <kevinmevin: i know this must sound really stupid... but can someone please tell me why these matches end, when there is no checkmate occurring?>

Most of these player are good enough to realize when their situation is hopeless, and rather than prolong their agony, they resign the game and do something more constructive with their time.

Apr-04-08
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  Jimfromprovidence: <johnlspouge> <I have a headache.>

That's funny you said that, because I told my wife last night the same thing (about this puzzle).

Usually, she's the one with the headache!

Apr-04-08
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  johnlspouge: <<Jimfromprovidence> wrote: <johnlspouge> <I have a headache.> That's funny you said that, because I told my wife last night the same thing (about this puzzle).

Usually, she's the one with the headache!>

There's a new one: "Not tonight, honey, you have a headache" ;>)

Apr-04-08  unferth: should this really be classified as a symmetrical english? after 6 e4, it sure looks like a maroczy sicilian to me
Apr-04-08
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  YouRang: <dzechiel: <kevinmevin: i know this must sound really stupid... but can someone please tell me why these matches end, when there is no checkmate occurring?> Most of these player are good enough to realize when their situation is hopeless, and rather than prolong their agony, they resign the game and do something more constructive with their time.>

In fact, in most cases it's considered rather an embarrassment to actually get checkmated. It's like having someone point out that you missed a mate-in-1.

I suppose there are exceptions, where a player will willingly play until checkmated, perhaps to allow the winner to fully demonstrate a beautiful mating attack. For example, I believe this was the case in D Byrne vs Fischer, 1956.

Apr-04-08  xrt999: < kevinmevin: >

Kevin, chess is the only "sport" in which players are taught and encouraged to give up when they begin to lose, rather than fight on; a trait that is pervasive throughout all levels of chess.

This would be like the yankees giving up after being down 10-0 in the 5th inning, or Mike Tyson walking out of the ring after being knocked down in the second round.

Rather than prolong their agony, the Yankees resign the game and do something more constructive with their time?

Apr-04-08  xrt999: C Jauregui vs Fischer, 1959

For example, Black loses his queen and does not resign , because he has better things to do with his time, like try to win the game.

Apr-06-08  znprdx: Better late than never? Here it is Sunday 6th April and I'm posting appropriately - since clearly this position was the challenge of the week. All I had was: ..... 13.Nxg7 Kx[N]g7 14.Qe2 Ng8 15.Qg5+ Kh8 16. Bxh7 with my fingers crossed. Reading the exhaustive posts I don't feel so bad about failing to reach any absolute conclusion. I'm off to Saturday's....
Apr-07-08  outplayer: <holland oats> 16.Re3 Ne4!?
May-01-08  holland oats: <outplayer> are you referring to this line: 14...Kxh6 15.Qd2+ Kh5 16.Re3 Ne4??? this leads to a simple mate in five...

17.Rh3+ Kg4 18.Qh6 Qxh2+ 19.Rxh2 and now nothing can stop mate in two. if 19...Be7 20. Qh5+ Kf4 21.Ne2#. pretty much everything else leads to 20.f3 Kg3 21.Rh3#

Dec-06-08  apexin: well played!
Dec-06-08  shivasuri4: There is a strange tendency here for a puzzle and GOTD to follow each other in the same year after just 8 odd months!
Dec-06-08  Antonius Blok: < outplayer: I think it should be better for black to have taken the second offered piece. 14...Kxh6 15.Qd2+ Kh5 16.Bd1+ Ng4 and black is ok. >

Maybe after that: 17.Bxg4+ Kxg4 18.Re4+ Kh5 19.Qe2+ Kh6 20.Rh4+ Kg7 21.Qh5 Rh8 22.Qh6+ Kg8 23.Rg4#

Dec-06-08
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  whiteshark: <"Red Hot Chile Peppers"> good one! :D
Dec-06-08  newzild: Cool game by white. A real sac-fest.

As for the debate about resigning, I agree with Dzecheil below that there's not much point in playing on with King versus King and four pawns. Even an idiot could win that ending. What's the point in dragging it out and wasting both players' time?

But there are cases when players resign too quickly. The famous game Byrne-Fischer from the 1963 US Champs is one example (Fischer was "bitterly disappointed" he couldn't demonstrate his brilliant mate).

R Byrne vs Fischer, 1963

Even worse, there are thousands of cases when players DRAW too quickly.

Cowards!

Dec-06-08  Zzyw: <xrt999: C Jauregui vs Fischer, 1959 For example, Black loses his queen and does not resign , because he has better things to do with his time, like try to win the game.>

Wow, that's a terrible game and a good argument for resigning when appropriate.

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