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Alexey Shirov vs Francisco Vallejo-Pons
Dos Hermanas XIV (2008)  ·  Caro-Kann Defense: Advance Variation. Van der Wiel Attack (B12)  ·  1/2-1/2
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Apr-21-08  najdorfman: If I did not know that these players were playing "theory", I would have thought that two beginners were playing this game. After ten moves, each side has developed two pieces. White has developed two knights and made eight pawn moves to achieve a bad or, at least delicate pawn structure. Black has moved his queen's bishop twice and eventually imprisons it on the g8-square, where it has no scope. Then White moves his king's knight a second time, brings his queen out early, sacrifices the exchange and manages to lose his castling privileges. Even when the game was finally agreed drawn, White had still not moved his queen's rook at all.

"Is this great chess or what?" The proper answer, I fear, is "What"....

The other Caro-Kann "Advance Variation"
played in this almost meaningless mini-
match saw Shirov, clearly tired from the recently concluded Russian pseudo-team championships, play even worse. In that crime against chess his king strolls up to the g3-sqare where it promptly gets forked by Black's Nd4-f5
check, winning a piece and the game and match for the real Spaniard.

Apr-21-08  Alphastar: <The other Caro-Kann "Advance Variation" played in this almost meaningless mini-
match saw Shirov, clearly tired from the recently concluded Russian pseudo-team championships, play even worse. In that crime against chess his king strolls up to the g3-sqare where it promptly gets forked by Black's Nd4-f5 check, winning a piece and the game and match for the real Spaniard.>

In that game Vallejo improved upon this game with 10. ..Nxe5; later on he won the exchange so he had a rook vs 2 minor pieces; with that fork Nd4-f5 check he didn't win a piece and the game, rather it was the last move of a combination that won him a pawn; Shirov then made another mistake which allowed Vallejo to win his 2 pieces back for a rook, leaving him with a winning position.

Jul-14-08  najdorfman: Alphastar,
You may be right. However Fritz does not indicate that 10...Nxe5 is an improvement over the other game.

My note was meant to indicate that Shirov played worse in this game than in the other one. His errors were: 15. Bg2?! when 15. gxf7+ Kxf7 16. h5 actually gives White the advantage; 18. Rxh4? (losing the exchange, not an entire piece) when 18. Kf2 Nxc2+ 19. Ke2 Qd6 20. Rxh4 Rxh4 21. Qxh4 Qe5+ 22. Kf1 Nxa1 23. Bh3 Re8 24. Bg4 Kg8 25. Qh3 with a clear advantage for White; and finally, when he was probably already losing, Shirov commits "another mistake" (your words) 20. Kh2? when 20. Kf3 Nxh4 21. Ke2 Nxg2 22. Nxg2 Rh2 23. Kf3 might have survived but this position is clearly advantageous to Vallejo-Pons.

I like Shirov. I am not a fan of 3. e5 against the Caro-Kann. GM friends of mine have told me that Shirov thinks it is the ONLY method for White to seek an advantage aginst the C-K Defense. I thought both of these games looked ugly and messy and amateurish and that was the major point I was trying to make in my original post.


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