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|Jun-11-08|| ||tamar: 16 e5 Ng4 sure you want to try this :)
Double attack on h7.
That's what makes this 10...Bd6 line so diabolical. It looks like a beginners error.
|Jun-11-08|| ||lemmel: Of course you are right, Tamar. As i said i`m definitely no expert. :).|
|Jun-11-08|| ||arnaud1959: I guess that on 16.e5 black plays b4 attacking 3 times d2 and 17.xb4 loses the without compensation|
|Jun-11-08|| ||dycotiles: <Wild Bill:> I wouldn't bet against Carlsen achieving #1 this year!!! The kid is rising like a rocket. Krammink is 2,780 and Carlsen just 0.5 (!!) Elo points behind at 2,779.5, and just 10.6 from Anand at 2,798.1. This is nuts!|
|Jun-11-08|| ||Ulhumbrus: <whiteshark: <Hesam7: <14. dxe5 Nxe5 15. f4 Nc4 16. e5 h6 17. exf6 hxg5 18. b3 Nxd2 Rybka v2.3.2a (0:00.00)+0.21|d20>> At the end of your line Shredder already prefers the black pieces, e.g. <19. Nxd2 Qxf6 20. Ne4 Qg6 21. f5 Qh6 22. Rae1 Rfe8 > On 16 e5 h6 17 exf6 hxg5 18 fxg7 seems better than 18 b3 eg 18...Kxg7 19 Bc3+ Kg8 20 Re1 gxf4 21 Nd2 Nxd2 22 Qxd2 fxg3 23 hxg3 threatening to begin a mating attack by Rh1 or Qh6|
|Jun-11-08|| ||ruyv: <tamar: 16 e5 Ng4 sure you want to try this :) Double attack on h7. |
That's what makes this 10...Bd6 line so diabolical. It looks like a beginners error.>
If (16.e5 h6! 17.exf6 hxg5 18.fxg7 Re8) white king jeopardized
Taken from Chessok live comments by ICCF IM Mikhail Emelianov
|Jun-11-08|| ||ruyv: oops Ulhumbrus beat me to it :)|
|Jun-11-08|| ||arnaud1959: ....and after 17.exf6 Black plays xd2+ and I stop there. I don't see further.|
|Jun-11-08|| ||arnaud1959: 16.-h6 seems stronger (and simpler) then my continuation and it keeps the Queens on the board.|
|Jun-11-08|| ||Jimfromprovidence: After 66 N3a5 GM Dimitrov opines, “Isn't this a decisive error?” 66 N7a5, below, looks better.|
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It's difficult to see a win here for black. Perhaps a rook vs. knight ending is likely.
|Jun-11-08|| ||popski: Yeah, it's cool to see this guy (kid actually) so decided to be the world chess champion!|
|Jun-11-08|| ||Jim Bartle: It's entertaining to read through all the comments after it's over. My favorite:|
"percyblakeney: Those tablebase wins in 40 sometimes tend to be tricky in time trouble."
|Jun-11-08|| ||al wazir: Why didn't Carlsen play 35...Qd3 ? It wins two s for the and defends the on b5. If 36. a4, then 36...Rxd2+ 37. Nxd2 Qxd2+ 38. Kh3 Qc2 39. axb5 d3 40. b6 d2 41. b7 d1=Q 42. b8=Q+ Kh7. White has no checks and can't stop mate.|
|Jun-11-08|| ||euripides: <al wazir> interesting. <35...Qd3 36. a4 Rxd2+ 37. Nxd2 Qxd2+ 38. Kh3 Qc2 39. axb5 d3> 40.Qa8+ Kh7 41.Qe4 might be an improvement. Black could put the queen somewhere else but must watch for perpetuals in some lines. But I'm not sure.|
|Jun-11-08|| ||minasina: There were live commentaries: http://www.chessdom.com/foros-aeros... with GM Vladimir Dimitrov|
http://chesspro.ru/chessonline/onli... with GM Sergey Zagrebelny in Russian; "translated" (without functioning board): http://google.com/translate?u=http%... may need reloading
http://chessok.com/broadcast/live.p... by ICCF IM Mikhail Emelianov
|Jun-11-08|| ||CapablancaFan: Oh man, an incredible game! Could'nt watch it live, had to work :-( This guy Magnus, is becoming a real force in the chess world!|
|Jun-11-08|| ||Jim Bartle: Somebody please tell me why I'm wrong, but...
Why play the Catalan only to give up the g2 bishop on move 11? I thought the strength of the Catalan is the power of this bishop.
|Jun-11-08|| ||Jesspatrick: <Jim Bartle> I like this treatment of the Catalan precisely because it gets rid of the light squared bishops right away. I believe that once that objective is achieved, White's got nothing.|
13 year old Ray Robson used this same line to take out IM Bradford in short order.
|Jun-11-08|| ||Jim Bartle: But why does white give the bishop up so easily?|
|Jun-11-08|| ||acirce: <Jim Bartle> Well, it's also opposed by a pretty strong bishop on b7. But you're right, and Ng5 does not seem good - there is an idea behind it, though, and it is ALMOST good, kind of; White gets e4 in quickly and there is a potential mate threat. After e5, Eljanov's dxe5 followed by f4 (or immediately f4) could be pretty strong if not for specifics in the position.|
|Jun-11-08|| ||Jim Bartle: Thanks to both.|
|Jun-11-08|| ||square dance: <I like this treatment of the Catalan precisely because it gets rid of the light squared bishops right away. I believe that once that objective is achieved, White's got nothing.> didnt kramnik make some statement about the LSB being an unimportant piece for white in the catalan? i dont exactly recall myself, but im hoping <acirce> can come in handy here. ;-)|
|Jun-11-08|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: A long, complex, hard fought endgame--just what I hoped for in the very first post to this game.|
27.Rc1 allowed Black to sacrifice 2 Knights for a Rook in a complex position during Eljanov's zeitnot. As a purely practical matter, an excellent decision in OTB play when your opponent is human. Like their previous games, this one will go into the textbooks as illustrative of the possibilities for both sides.
|Jun-11-08|| ||boz: It takes nerves of steel to play as Carlsen did in this game.|
|Jun-11-08|| ||acirce: <square dance> No idea. The only thing of the kind I remember that Kramnik has stated is that White's g2-bishop "is barely any stronger than the c8-bishop" in the Stonewall Dutch. Yeah, not exactly the same ;-) And it was quite some time ago too as far as I know.|
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