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|Dec-19-11|| ||morfishine: White wins a piece and the game after <34.Qxh7+ Qxh7 35.Bxe5+> Black is without resource after <35...Kg8 36.gxh7+ Rxh7 37.Rxh7 Kxh7 38.Rxc5>
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Black can neither defend his pawns or attack whites pawns. If Black tries to hold on to his c-pawn with <38...Rc8?> the advance of whites d-pawn is decisive due to the pin.
Both <38...Rf7> & <38...f4> are met by <39.Rxc6>
Black can hold onto his c-pawn with <38...Rg8+ 39.Kf2 Rg6> but now Black's a-pawn falls after <40.Ra5> since <g7> is covered by the Bishop
Interesting Puzzle for a Monday since in certain situations, R vs R+B can draw. However, this is not one of those situations.
|Dec-19-11|| ||FSR: <polarx: Yeah, what's the point of 25...Nxf4?>|
Havasi was hoping for 26.Nxf4? g5, regaining his material. He probably didn't analyze much beyond 26.exf4! Qxd5, not realizing that the forced line 27.Rh3! Qg8 28.Bd5! g5 29.fxg5 would leave him with a terrible position.
<TheVillageIdiot: Isn't it better to play BxBe5 first. And then just go for the mate!! Instead of first taking QxQh7!!>
If 34.Bxe5?, Qxe5 there is no mate: 35.Qxh7+?? loses material to 35...Rxh7. After something like 35.gxh7 Rg7+ 36.Rg3 (36.Kh1?? Qd5+; other king moves are not appealing) Rxh7, White will probably end up kicking himself for not grabbing the free piece.
|Dec-19-11|| ||polarx: Thx, FSR. Easy to say after the fact, but that was very poor for someone who was Hungarian champion. Looks like something I would do.|
BTW, read your wikipedia article on swindles. Had never read anything on the matter. It was instructive and entertaining. Good one.
|Dec-19-11|| ||gofer: What no mate? On a "Monday"?!
<34 Qxh7+ Qxh7>
<35 Bxe5+ Kg8> (Rg7 Rxh7+ mating)
<36 gxh7+ Rxh7> (Kf7 h8=Q winning)
White is a bishop up, so its game over, but how should white kill off black?
37 Rg3+ Kf7 38 Rxc5
37 Rxh7 Kxh7 38 Rxc5
|Dec-19-11|| ||FSR: Thanks, polarx. There's surprisingly little written on swindles, which are surely an important part of chess. I think there's a certain stigma attached to them, as though the swindler has "stolen" the game from the rightful winner. |
As for Havasi's ...Nxf4, the game wasn't going well for him, so he decided to mix it up tactically. That didn't work out too well, obviously.
|Dec-19-11|| ||cocker: Took me some time to realise that 34 Qxh7+ Qxh7 35 Bxe5+ wins a piece; I imagined I was sacrificing on h7. This is probably a comment on me rather than on the position.|
|Dec-19-11|| ||Penguincw: It wasn't that hard at all. I was thinking of sacrificing the queen and then exploting the tactics against the black king.|
|Dec-19-11|| ||moppa: This is a very unusual puzzle; in a real game you would find it in seconds, but at monday you take minutes to see that there is no mate-in-three.|
I have to say I was horrified for a moment, thinking I was missing a monday puzzle!
|Dec-19-11|| ||Everyone: has been a bit absent-minded today.|
|Dec-19-11|| ||agb2002: The material is even.
Black threatens 34... Qxg6+.
The queen seems to be the key piece holding the black position. This suggests 34.Qxh7+ Qxh7 35.Bxe5+
A) 35... Kg8 36.gxh7+ Rxh7 37.Rxh7 Kxh7 38.Rxc5 + - [B+P].
B) 35... Rg7 36.Rxh7+ Kg8 37.Rxg7+ Kh8 38.Rh7+ Kg8 39.Rh5 and mate in two.
|Dec-19-11|| ||CHESSTTCAMPS: Closer game than most Monday puzzles, but still easy. Material is even and white g-pawn is pinned, but it doesn't matter.|
34.Qxh7+ Qxh7 35.Bxe5+ at least wins a piece:
A) 35... Rg7? 36.Rxh7+ Kg8 37.Rxg7+ Kh8 38.Rh7+ Kg8 39.Rh8#
B) 35... Kg8 36.gxh7+ Rxh7 37.Rxh7 Kxh7 38.Rxc5 will pose no difficulty for white.
|Dec-19-11|| ||kevin86: The queen sac (loan) results in a piece ahead after the smoke clears.|
|Dec-19-11|| ||chrisowen: In funicular on plan heading reticular in vernacular h7 |
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|Dec-19-11|| ||Marmot PFL: Looking at some of black's moves, it almost looks like a helpmate. And yet there is no mate no matter how long i look, just a trivial win of a piece.|
|Dec-19-11|| ||dzechiel: <<FSR>: Thanks, polarx. There's surprisingly little written on swindles, which are surely an important part of chess.>|
This reminds me of a book that had a profound influence on my early game: <Chess Traps, Pitfalls and Swindles> by Horowitz and Reindfeld. I read this cover to cover in the first year that I got serious about chess, and it truly made me look at the chessboard in a different light.
|Dec-19-11|| ||BOSTER: <FSR> <...Nxf4, the game wasn't going well for black, so he decided mix it up tactically>?|
Why we are so greedy?
In this position black decided to win a pawn,or equalize the game, they played 25....Nxf4.
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and after 26.exf4 Qxd5 black pawn up, but with the weakness on h7.
And here Reti , who said that he can see only one move ahead,played combo with forced line 10 moves in depth.
|Dec-19-11|| ||ZZpatzer: <dzechiel: ...This reminds me of a book that had a profound influence on my early game: <Chess Traps, Pitfalls and Swindles> by Horowitz and Reindfeld. I read this cover to cover in the first year that I got serious about chess, and it truly made me look at the chessboard in a different light.>|
Me too! Same book and same reasons. That book started me on "real" chess back in the 70's. Wish I still had a copy...
|Dec-19-11|| ||FSR: <ZZpatzer: <dzechiel: ...This reminds me of a book that had a profound influence on my early game: <Chess Traps, Pitfalls and Swindles> by Horowitz and Reindfeld. I read this cover to cover in the first year that I got serious about chess, and it truly made me look at the chessboard in a different light.>|
Me too! Same book and same reasons. That book started me on "real" chess back in the 70's. Wish I still had a copy...>
Yes, that is a great book, one that I too read in my youth. I cited it in my Wikipedia article on swindles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_... <ZZpatzer>, if you Google this - chess traps pitfalls swindles - and then click on "Shopping," you'll see that you can get the book for $10 to $15 from various places.
|Dec-19-11|| ||King Death: <dzechiel: This reminds me of a book that had a profound influence on my early game: <Chess Traps, Pitfalls and Swindles> by Horowitz and Reindfeld...>|
A missing part of my education, even though I'm sure this book was around in the early 1960s.
|Dec-19-11|| ||ZZpatzer: <FSR> Thanks for the book info, I'll have to re-discover that book.|
|Dec-19-11|| ||HeMateMe: I'm just looking for some Tush!|
|Dec-19-11|| ||Nullifidian: The real puzzle of this game is whether there's a way for White to *lose* in this position.|
The obvious move:
34. xh7 xh7 35. xe5+ g8 36. gxh7+ xh7 37. xh7 xh7 38. xc5 e8 39. c3 and now one of the two pawns the rook is forking will fall, leaving White up a piece and two pawns into the endgame.
|Dec-19-11|| ||redmaninaustin: Not 36.gxh7 but 36.Rxh7 (threatening mate on h8) Rxh7 37.gxh7+ Kf7 38.h8(Q) and white wins the other rook too.|
|Dec-19-11|| ||Nemesistic: Even for a Monday this is extremely easy|
|Dec-19-11|| ||stst: Q-sac Monday again!?
34.QxP+ QxQ (forced)
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