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Rybka (Computer) vs Hikaru Nakamura
"The Bully Pulpit" (game of the day Apr-01-2011)
ICC blitz 3 0 (2008) (blitz), Internet Chess Club, Mar-15
Grob Opening: General (A00)  ·  0-1
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Jul-20-08  positionalgenius: lolololololololololol> in the words of masterchief.
Jul-20-08  timhortons: <This was either a composition (or pre-planned win), or two engines playing each other (the winning engine being programmed to underpromote>

if you know how transwarp operator feel about nakamura you well not say it.

I know the owner of these computer account at icc and im sure its not a pre planned win.

nakamura is no played now by rybka at icc because of game violation,shuffling of pieces back and forth and reapeting lines are illagal when you play with computer at icc.

Jul-20-08
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  JointheArmy: <sleepkid> Now your just being silly. On playchess.com I never go above 1.3 seconds except when I'm faced with material loss or mate. In fact most of my moves end between 0-0.7 seconds each move. Not to mention tons of 0.0's thanks to premove. To make 135 mouse click and drags would a breeze.

I don't have an ICC account and there premove isn't nearly as good as playchess's, but what Naka demonstrated isn't uncommon by any means. It seems your either a blitz virgin or your really this impressed and your in denial.

Jul-20-08
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  keypusher: <JointheArmy: One of the most amazing finishes I've ever seen. I like how Nakamura completely humiliates the human programmer of Rybka.>

??

Jul-20-08  timhortons: i had icc account for more than a year now, we missed naka playing against computer but we cant do anything since no computer operator want to play with him anymore.

games like these could gather as much as 250 observer at icc including grandmasters.

Jul-20-08  Lutwidge: This reminds me of a silly game I played against someone (definitely not Rybka!) on ICC in the mid to late 90's. Basically wound up promoting to four light squared bishops and one knight to spar against my opponent's lone Rook. (no pawns for either side). Turned out to be an interesting endgame, since if the rook could sacrifice itself for the Kt it's of course drawn. What happens, however, is that the bishops inevitably snare the opposing rook in a rather comic net. If I should find the game, I'll probably, er, actually, on second thought I think I'll spare you guys. :)
Jul-20-08  timhortons: one more nakamura lately is accusing computer operators in interfering during the games.hes claiming that operators are making moves for rybka, sound funny!!! he fight with rustemov about that during one of his game, grandmaster rustemov wont believe his claims and mind you rustemov is 2nd to nakamura when it comes to playing against computer at icc. if nakamura is lossing somebody is cheating, even rybka he accused of cheating, just sound funny but its true that he accuse the computer of cheating.

these cause to much argument even between him and his fellow grandmaster and as usual the typical nakamura crowd at icc is very rowdy.

Jul-20-08
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  JointheArmy: <keypusher> ^^
Jul-20-08  timhortons: during locked position from which rybka would shuffle back in forth in the back rank naka is claiming that operators would make a break in move, exchange pieces and defeat nakamura once the lock is broken, naka could not handle the calculating prowess of rybka in bullet thats why hes locking it till it loss on time, once rybka is downed by the clock he well force the exchange and the poor computer would slow down more for hes calculating, these would give nakamura a chance in beating him.
Jul-20-08
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  tamar: Haven't seen "The Dark Knight", but can envision The Joker laughing maniacally as the camera pans away from his garret and the five bishops mate on his screen.
Jul-20-08  timhortons:


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against tactical computer at icc


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against rybka at icc


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against rybka at icc


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against rybka at icc

Jul-20-08  timhortons: it so nice to see these knights galloping and nakamuras clock is dying, he mate it just on time!
Jul-21-08  Pjalle: haha, this is hilarious. What surprises me a bit though is why rybka gives up all his pawns when the fence finally breaks. Is the computer really that stupid in time trouble?
Jul-21-08
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  tamar: <Is the computer really that stupid in time trouble?>

I've noticed almost all computers stop trying to preserve the status quo when their evaluations reach obvious losing proportions.

Then, instead of trying to gain squares or preserve material, they give away squares and material hoping to induce a stalemate.

Nakamura plays upon this glitch in many games.

It reminds me of the AI in Age of Empires, where the computer sends endless supplies of villagers out to repair a breach in a wall, even if means a slaughter of its whole population.

Jul-21-08  Hesam7: Nakamura made 1.5 moves per second!
Jul-21-08  Pjalle: tamar wrote, <Then, instead of trying to gain squares or preserve material, they give away squares and material hoping to induce a stalemate.>

Are you sure? That sounds like an incredibly bad strategy, stalemates are usually very easy to avoid. I thought the computer was programmed to always chose the highest scoring line no matter how much they are down on material, anything else would be absurd, though I have to agree that it looks like the computer is actively trying to commit harakiri. Maybe it's just because Nakamura is playing much better, he locks up the computer and makes lots of waiting moves but it's very easy to make a fatal mistake at that speed.

Jul-21-08
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  parmetd: yxcvbnm: in my opinion it´s a shame that games like this are in the database. seriously.

I AGREE.

Jul-21-08  Pjalle: timhortons, I read one of your comments in the game <Crafty vs. Naka>, you stated that Naka has only 5 wins out of 500 played games against Rybka and Crafty. The Naka fans seems to be a bit selective in the choices of games posted here.
Jul-21-08  madlydeeply: thou art joyless, parmetd and yxcvbnm.
Jul-21-08  timhortons: <pjalle> the point is no other performed better against rybka at icc so that 5 wins or maybe more than 5 wins is something.

If only computer operators would agree to what nakamura is doin then we could find weakness at rybka in blitz and bullet. but games like these aggravate most computer operators since shuffling of pieces is a game violation.

one more if rybka open 1.c5 nakamura would resign right away because in 1.c5 he cant lock the position, so sometimes theres 8 or 10 game resignation that he do to avoid the opening.

transwarp/rybka operator is my friend at icc and i know how he hate nakamura when ever naka would use these lock down method and shuffle his peices in the back rank.

nakamura is no played by rybka at icc so he had no choice, he cant play with strong rybka machine at icc since hes a game violator.

nakamura would resign a game when ever rybka break his lock and continue when hes successfull holding rybka in a standstill, he just know the proper timing of sac and exchange to further slow down rybka and convert his pieces to either all bishop or knights and mate rybka in these fashion.

Jul-21-08  timhortons: to those who claim these is joyless then maybe you guys belong to higher breed of chess. I dont find it joyless since beating a 3900 computer running ia a quad core machine is no joke . Maybe indeed blitz and bullet player who frequent at icc and playchess.com belong to the inferior cast, if youre a bullet and blitz player and you see guys like nakamura, grischuk and aronian play you well like them much more nakamura who is best of them all.

let say we make two cast of chess players, the noble ones who dont play bullet and blitz but play standard chess and play correspondence chess online using there rybka and database, looks exciting? and the inferior cast who play blitz and bullet for the sake of adrenaline rush, sound boring?

though these is a blasphemy to youre practice of chess, but to icc account holders who flock watching these game when ever nakamura play these is exciting, sometimes observer could reach 300 the least 150 when ever he play and no other could gather such crowd at icc.

yesterday i was at canadian open tournament site and i happen to know some young players who had icc account, all of them play blitz and bullet and these boys follow nakamura games in fact hes the topic of conversation.

Jul-22-08  Pjalle: tim, I see. I'm sure it's fun to watch but is this really chess?

It's more like a computer game in which the challenge is to find a glitch in the algorithms. Naka is good enough to find that glitch but in the process he is repeatedly aborting unfavourable openings, waiting for the opening that suits him best and moving pieces back and forth, I can understand why the Rybka operators are sceptical of playing against him.

Jul-22-08  timhortons: <pjalle>

<the challenge is to find a glitch in the algorithms>

very well said!

once the operator change his book naka and the rest of the gang at icc would find another way of holding in a lock.Rybka would not repeat lines, unless the operator is not there for few days to change its book as to what happened when "jayhawker" take vacation in alaska, he let rybka/transwarp run on its own and grandmaster anton kovalyov with the handle of kava at icc find the glitch, he simply raped rybka with gusto! if you read transwarp blog jay hawker pointed these out and he said hes not impressed of grandmaster anton kovalyov's play.....

nakamura has his patented way of holding rybka to a lock and that grandmaster anton kovalyovs is very good in copying and modifying.

some patzer at icc with rating of 1900 and 2000 had there own structure formation of holding rybka as well as other computer to a lock "equanimity" is one of them.

equanimity at icc reach 2400 elo by just doing these, hes comfortable rating is 1900. he shared ideas and method with other computer slayer how to beat rybka for once the operator change his book you need to find a way again how to lock it down.

theres like around 5 patzer at icc who i know is very active in there quest in beating computers by locking it and that means finding that glitch by everyday playing with it. lately freebird reset all the elo record of computer violators one i know is "chicagobuls"

chicago bulls argument is that why free bird dont reset grandmaster kovalyov record as well as nakamura and rustemov? icc is afraid to punish the masters.

equanimity told me he stop playing for a while against computer account for free bird is real serious in punishing .

Jul-22-08  timhortons: <pjalle> i just replayed these game and its 1.g4 , usually nakamura would abort with these opening for its very hard to lock these down, in a blitz game against 3900 computer running in a quad core machine he need to crack his head to hold rybka to a standstill, look how fast nakamura calculate in these game.

maybe these is a different kind of chess, <its internet chess> so to some its not normal. as an icc player/patzer i do appreciate these.I maintain account at icc and playchess.com just to play with fellow patzer as well enjoy watching strong master play blitz and bullet.

Jul-22-08  MaxxLange: Not giving stalemate must be the hard part
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