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|Sep-05-12|| ||whiteshark: <should/shouldn't> Too many cooks spoil the broth.|
|Sep-05-12|| ||optimal play: So who was it who actually came up with the idea of 8...d5? Was it Conill? or Ostolaza? or López? or Herrera? And I wonder if Marshall ever knew about this game?|
|Sep-06-12|| ||master of defence: I have a better line for black. After 30...Kd6 31.Ke3 Kxc6 32.Ke4 Kc5 33.Kf5 Kc4 34.Kxg4 Kd3 35.f5 Kc2 36.Kg5 Kxb2 37.Kg6 Kxa2 38.Kxg7 a5 39.f6 b4 40.cxb4 axb4 41.f7 b3 42.f8=Q b2 and it could be a draw in this position. Or I missed something?|
|Sep-06-12|| ||rapidcitychess: <master of defense>|
When Black gets to c4, I would change my initial strategy and go for the g7 pawn, e.g Kf4-g5. The resulting 2+ gain in tempo would prove the queenside attack insuffiecent, and an attack upon the kingside even more so.
|Sep-06-12|| ||rapidcitychess: Also, I didn't check your main position, but white can generally beat the pawns in that type of position. (Check, check, check!)|
|Jan-29-13|| ||chesssalamander: optimal play, that is excellent historical question! Did Marshall know this game? Could he have? We all know the story, that he held on to this "secret weapon" for years to use against Capablanca. And, if M knew this game, why couldn't Capa? Of course, even if M knew this game, and even if Capa knew, that doesn't mean that M couldn't use it as a surprise, or do original analysis on it. (Like Tal using the French against Fischer, sort of) (or Carlsen using the Ponziani)|
|Jan-29-13|| ||thomastonk: <chesssalamander: We all know the story, that he held on to this "secret weapon" for years to use against Capablanca.> Do you know this article: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...?|
|Jan-29-13|| ||chesssalamander: Thomastonk, thanks for that link! I had not read the article before. Mr. Winter certainly takes issue with the often repeated story of Marshal. If Winter is right, Pandolfini, Kasparov are wrong. |
W does seem to have good evidence from primary sources for his case. However, the fact that M used the Petrof and the French does NOT show that M wasn't waiting to uncork 8. ...d5. He did have a few opportunities, but maybe he wanted to try something else first, or was still working out possibilities, etc.
|Jan-30-13|| ||Shams: Sloppy of Winter to confuse the Marshall Gambit and the Marshall Attack.|
|Jan-30-13|| ||thomastonk: <chesssalamander: He did have a few opportunities, but maybe ...> That's the reason why myths never die.|
You could be interested in this one, too: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/....
|Jul-23-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <I Offer You A Resign: So it shouldn't be called the Marshall's Gambit, eh?>|
Typically, chess openings are named not after the first player to use them in a game, but for the first strong master/GM to analyze them in depth.
Here we find the allies with Black essaying a form of the Marshall Attack, but it seems probable that this was an ad hoc choice rather than the result of prior preparation.
When Marshall sprung the attack on Capablanca, on the other hand, he had doubtless invested many hours in seeking out the most effective continuation, and there is no doubt that what he played represents a substantial improvement over the line in this game.
To be sure, later analysis revealed better ways to continue. In the retreat variation (11. ...Nf6) introduced by Marshall, for example, we now play 16. ...Ng4, with near equality, rather than gamble everything on a lightning attack with 16. ...Bg4?
Nonetheless, the gambit's long preparation and dramatic debut have firmly, and I would say irrevocably, fixed the opening in the canons of chess under the name of Frank Marshall.
|Aug-10-13|| ||RookFile: Those guys just blundered a pawn and tried to wing it. Marshall obviously put a lot more thought into this and deserves the credit. They gave Nimzo credit for the Nimzo-Indian even though it was played before him and Alekhine played it in a more modern style and with more success than Nimzo ever had.|
|Oct-21-14|| ||m.okun: 33. ... Kd6|
|Feb-07-15|| ||TangoJoseph: Cool game ! a893 was long time ago|
|Sep-05-16|| ||sudoplatov: After 11.g3, 11....Bd6 seems stronger than 11....h4. A Piece attack should be stronger her than an attack with Pawns. It also arrives faster.|
|May-18-18|| ||machuelo: This game was played by Walbrodt against four chess amateur players of Havana: Enrique Conill, Enrique Ostolaza and Guillermo López were among the best known players of Cuba. Conill was more a patron than a player. Ostolaza and López were young and talented players, while Herrera was the most unknown, we do not even know his name. Both Ostolaza and López have spectacular victories over Chigorin when he visited Havana. The idea that this game was played in New
York, and not Havana, it is a simply nonsense.|
|Jul-21-18|| ||HeMateMe: I think the puns are venturing into Xmas puzzle territory...the programmers are licking their chops...|
|Jul-21-18|| ||offramp: This was a world-class novelty by some lesser-known players.|
An early example of an unknown making a great TN was by NN in Mephisto vs NN, 1770. She tried out 4....Qh4 in the Scotch, which is still Black's best reply to the Scotch Game.
|Jul-21-18|| ||Ratt Boy: Can anyone 'splain me why 11.g3, which creates gaping holes all over the ♔side, is superior to 11.♕xf3, ♗g4 12.♕g3? I see no productive way for Black to harass White's ♕, or to get meaningful compensation for the 2♙ deficit.|
|Jul-21-18|| ||FSR: Looks like we'll have to start calling 8...d5 the Conill/Ostolaza/López/Herrera gambit. Weird to have a López gambit in response to the Ruy Lopez.|
|Jul-21-18|| ||FSR: <offramp> Very few modern players (and no computer programs) would agree with you that 4...Qh4 is Black's best response to the Scotch. It scores much worse than 4...Nf6, 4...Bc5, 4...Bb4+, and 4...Qf6. Opening Explorer|
|Jul-21-18|| ||ughaibu: Well, it could be argued that the best response is the one that computers rate the lowest, because computers don't understand openings and players of the scotch will be unduly neglectful of responses that computers disdain.|
|Jul-21-18|| ||pawnpro: brillent not to take the pawn with 11.qxf3|
|Jul-21-18|| ||Phony Benoni: I am convinced there are no true novelties in chess any more. Just games we didn't know about.|
|Jul-21-18|| ||ughaibu: It would be pretty funny if the Marshall actually originated in Cuba, and as Capablanca was already five years old at the time, no doubt he knew of the game, after all, how could his legend tolerate not knowing of it?|
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