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| Mar-05-16 | | mruknowwho: I detest that situation; find a way to put your opponent in check or you lose. |
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| Mar-05-16 | | bcokugras: Why don't for black : 31... Qxa2 ? |
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| Mar-05-16 | | erixn: bcokugras : 31...Qxa2 allows White a few checks: 32.Qh5+ Kg8 33.Nf6+! when gxf6 allows 34.Rg1+, and Kf8 34.Qh8+ Ke7 35.Qxg7+ (or even 35.Rd7+) is also a winning attack for White.
Pretty game - I love it when players simply stubbornly ignore the threats to their own pieces! |
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| Mar-05-16 | | MCDreamz: <piltdown man: Wonderful pun!> Thank you! |
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Mar-05-16
 | | OhioChessFan: Nice pun, but why for this game? Why not instead one by a player named Knowles, or Forrester? And which piece in this game would qualify as the separate piece? Again, nice pun, but it seems randomly attached to this game. |
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| Mar-05-16 | | epistle: A Separate Peace is about betrayal of friendship. It's a good pun. |
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| Mar-05-16 | | Howard: But it was never really established in the novel whether Gene really did deliberately shake that tree limb that Finney was about to dive off of. |
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| Mar-05-16 | | bcokugras: Thx erixn. |
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| Mar-05-16 | | kevin86: White win because black runs out of checks. |
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| Mar-05-16 | | kamagong24: awesome game!!! |
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Mar-05-16
| | OhioChessFan: <Howard> I think yes, it was. As for the pun, I still don't get it in regards to this game. |
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| Mar-05-16 | | Shams: <OCF> I'm glad you said something because I'm 100% at a loss. |
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| Mar-06-16 | | iking: ... "Elwin 'Leper' Lepellier: Leper is Finny and Gene's friend, and a key member of the Super Suicide Society of the Summer Session." ... Ginting might be alluded to as a suicidal attacker in this game, ultimately, running out of checks .. maybe. |
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| Dec-31-22 | | jrredfield: I chose 31 Ng5, thinking to home in on the Black K and ward off the threats of 31 ... Rc2 and a possible back-rank mate threat. But unfortunately, 31 Ng5 only leads to a draw. The text move nullifies Black's Q and R threats and lets White carry on an attack against the Black K. |
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| Dec-31-22 | | mel gibson: I didn't know.
Stockfish 15 says:
31. c3
(31. c3 (c2-c3 ♖c8-f8 ♘e4-g5 ♕a5-f5 ♕g6xf5 ♘e3xf5 ♖d1-d7 ♖f8-b8 a2-a4 ♘f5xh4 a4-a5
♘h4-f5 b2-b4 ♘f5-e3 ♔c1-b2 ♘e3-g4 a5-a6 b7xa6 ♖d7xa7 ♔h8-g8 ♔b2-b3 ♘g4-e5
♖a7xa6 ♔g8-f8 ♖a6-a5 ♘e5-c6 ♖a5-f5+ ♔f8-e8 ♖f5-f7 g7-g6 ♖f7-f6 ♘c6-a5+
♔b3-c2 ♘a5-c4 ♖f6xg6 ♔e8-e7 ♖g6-c6 ♘c4-e3+ ♔c2-b3 ♔e7-d7 ♖c6-c5 ♖b8-e8
♘g5-f3 ♘e3-g4 ♖c5-g5 ♘g4-f2 ♖g5-e5 ♖e8-f8 ♘f3-d4 ♖f8-h8 c3-c4 ♔d7-c8 ♖e5-d5
♔c8-b7 ♘d4-b5 ♖h8-h3+ ♔b3-a4 ♘f2-d3 ♖d5-d7+ ♔b7-c8) +5.37/44 400) score for White +5.37 depth 44. |
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| Dec-31-22 | | Brenin: White needs to fend off Black's checking threats, such as Rxc2+, long enough to play Ng5, with Qh7 mate in mind, and 31 c3 seems the likeliest way to do this. For example 31 ... Nxd1 32 Ng5 Rxc3+ (32 ...Kg8 33 Qe6+ with mate in a few moves) 33 Kb1 as in the game, or 31 ... Qa4 32 Qh5+ Kg8 33 Nf6+ Kf8 (33 ... gxf6 34 Qg6+ wins) 34 Rd2 looks good for White. I'm not convinced, but OTB I'd give it a try. |
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| Dec-31-22 | | Vermit: I looked at the ending 31.Ng5 Rxc2+ 32.Qxc2 Nxc2 33.Rd8+ Qxd8 34.Nf7+ but that seemed to get nowhere |
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| Dec-31-22 | | NBZ: Alas, I missed that the queen on a5 guards d8. So I thought 31. Ng5 Rxc2+ 32. Qxc2 Nxc2 33. Rd8 is mate (when it only leads to a draw, as <Vermit> points out). I did find a cool line if Black tries to defend from 31. Ng5 with 31. ... Qf5. Everything seems defended, until you realize white has 32. Nf7+ Kg8 33. Nh6+! (oops). |
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Dec-31-22
 | | chrisowen: Ko winner q jah it's u c3 fob feint he it's eg iota dub axiom jab it's a good quod c3 if :) |
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| Dec-31-22 | | agb2002: White is one pawn up.
Black threatens Nxd1 and Nxc2+.
The natural 31.Ng5 and the tricky 31.Nf6 (31... gxf6 32.Qh6+ Kg8 33.Rg1+ Kf7 34.Rg7+ Ke6 35.Qxe3+ Qe5 36.Qxe5+ and 36.Rxb7) can be met with 31... Rxc2+ 32.Kb1 Rxb2+ 33.Kxb2 (else mate next) 33... Qb4+ 34.Ka(c)1 Qc3+ 35.Kb1 Qb4+ with perpetual check. The defense 31.Rd2 is met with 31... Rxc2+ 32.Kb1 (32.Rxc2 Qe1#) 32... Rxd2. These details suggest 31.c3:
A) 31... Nxd1 32.Ng5
A.1) 32... Qf5 33.Nf7+ Kg8 34.Nh6+ wins decisive material. A.2) 32... Kg8 33.Qe6+ and mate in two.
B) 31... Qf5 32.Qxf5 Nxf5 33.Rd7 Nxh4 34.Rxb7 Ra8 35.Kd2 must be winning. C) 31... Qe5 32.Ng5 Rxc3+ 33.Kb1 is winning (33... Qf5+ 34.Qxf5 Nxf5 35.bxc3). D) 31... Qa4 32.Qh5+ Kg8 33.Nf6+
D.1) 33... gxf6 34.Rg1+ Kf8 35.Qh6+ Kf7 (else 36.Qxe3+) 36.Rg7+ Ke6 (else 37.Qh8#) 37.Qxe3+ must be winning. D.2) 33... Kf8 34.Rd2 looks good for White (34... gxf6 35.Qh8+ and 36.Qxc8). |
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Dec-31-22
 | | dorsnikov: I went for N-g5 right off the bat. |
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| Dec-31-22 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: After thinking carefully, the only reasonable move to White is 31. ♔b1 ♘xd1 32. ♘g5 Now, if Black tries to escape: 32... ♔g8 33. ♕e6+ and check-mate next. To avoid the mate, I thought of 31... ♕f5. Then 32. ♖g1? ♕xg6 33. ♖xg6 ♔h7 and game even. Or 32. ♕xf5 ♘xf5 33. ♘g5. Now, 33... ♘xh4 34. ♖h1 ♖c4 35. ♘f3 g5 36. ♘xg5 ♔g7 with a hard end-game. Time to check out... It seems that nobody selects my move, but I must agree with <NBZ>... there's no ♕f5. Thanks so much for your kindness about the situation in Brazil and I'm hopefully that things will be solved today. God help us. Any way, happy new year, everybody! |
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| Dec-31-22 | | Brenin: <King.Arthur.Brazil>: I'm afraid that 31 Kb1 Nxd1 32 Ng5 loses to 32 ... Nc3+. For example, 33 bxc3 Qb6+ 34 Qxb6 axb6 35 Kb2 Rc4 and Black wins the endgame, or 33 Ka1 Qxa2 mate, or 33 Kc1 Nd2+ 34 Kd1 (not 34 Kc1 Qe1 mate) Rd8+ 35 Kxe2 Qd2+ with an easy win. |
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Dec-31-22
 | | Jimfromprovidence: I'm not seeing a win after 31...Rf8.
click for larger viewThe idea with that move is that after 32 Ng5 black will follow with 42...Qg5 ending white's mate threat. 
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| Jan-04-23 | | widjaja70: @User: Jimfromprovidence
you are right. Maybe Black could have played Rf8 from move 30. Instead of playing 30....Rc8, he could have played 30.... Rf8; followed by 31.... Qf5. |
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