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|Jul-26-08|| ||Atking: <Ulhumbrus: After 40...Bf5 there is no satisfactory answer to the threat of 41 ...Be4+. On 41 e4 Bg4 42 Re3 Bf3+ 43 Rxf3 Qxf3+ 44 Kg1 Qxe4 Black is two pawns ahead.> In this line black should be able to win the other rook 44...Qg3+ 45.Kh1 Qh4+ and 42...Qg5+|
|Jul-26-08|| ||PinnedPiece: <We will switch over to the Bacrot-Alekseev game in a few minutes.>|
How do we switch with you? Back to Home and Live?
|Jul-26-08|| ||zanshin: <chancho> Rybka says <41...Qh4+ 42.Kg1 Qg5+ 43.Kf1 Bh3+> and threats of ...Qf4+ or dxe4+ are too strong.|
|Jul-26-08|| ||zanshin: <How do we switch with you? Back to Home and Live?
Yes, it's already started.
|Jul-26-08|| ||chancho: <zanshin> Thanks for that.|
|Jul-26-08|| ||waustad: I tried Rf1 against LCP and it wound up as a perpetual since the machine was so intent on grabbing the QR that it ignored Rf3 h3. Machines sure are materialistic.|
|Jul-26-08|| ||Alphastar: A clever last move. Due to the mate threats (white king has nowhere to go) white is forced to play e4, but that fatally weakens f3.|
Bf5 could be described as a resulting move, because the immediate Bg4 does not give black anything concrete.
White resigned because after 41. e4 Bg4! 42. Re3 Bf3+ 43. Rxf3 Qxf3+ white will pick up the rook on c1 with some checks, for example 44. Kh2 Qf4+ or 44. Kg1 Qg4+ 45. Kh1 Qh4+ 46. Kg1 Qg5+.
|Jul-26-08|| ||Ulhumbrus: On 27 Qb6?! Bc8! Pelletier may have overlooked that on 28 Nxh6+ gxh6 29 Bxc8 Black the intermediate move 29...Rd6! which saves the black Knight with tempo and wins a piece. |
Yet White may have the advantage, perhaps a win after 26...Nf6. If 27 Qb6 is inadvisable, what better alternative does White have?
It may be that after 27 Bg2 White has the advantage and will win.
According to Capablanca the good player is always lucky. According to Fine when you get good you will get to be lucky. Carlsen played well enough to be lucky.
|Jul-26-08|| ||solskytz: Now I understand why Carlsen went ...h5. Brilliant - and probably was planned all along for an eventual moment. The reason was to get the queen out to wipe out the K-side once Pelletier over-weakens himself there because of the uncomfortable e4 black Kt. |
The alternative double-minor exchange that I proposed instead of ...h5 now looks less 'holistic' in my eyes - and the idea of bringing in the queen for the attack is simply masterly. I have no words.
|Jul-26-08|| ||dycotiles: What a game. I mean, after 27.Qb6 white doesn't look that bad at all, to imagine that White's position would collapse in such spectacular fashion in just 13 moves is hard to believe!!!|
|Jul-26-08|| ||Alphastar: <dycotiles> it's very believable once you know that white had 5 minutes left (around move 30) to make 10 moves.|
|Jul-26-08|| ||THE pawn: I just went through the game really quickly, but I can't seem to see what Pelletier did the wrong way. Seems like his queen was just on the wrong side the whole time. A blunder somewhere?|
|Jul-26-08|| ||beenthere240: The white bishop at h3 was undefended and when white "forced" black to play 27...Bc8, the good knight was suddenly pinned. White was forced to move his king into danger at g2 and the roof began to fall in.|
|Jul-26-08|| ||AdrianP: I agree with <Ulhumbrus> (... for once). Pelletier's Qb6 was just asking for an attack on his K, and Magnus usually obliges. I think <Ulhumbrus> may be right that Pelletier didn't think ...Bc8 was playable, but it would be surprising if he simply missed the zwischenzug ...Rd6.|
|Jul-26-08|| ||Ulhumbrus: <THE pawn: I just went through the game really quickly, but I can't seem to see what Pelletier did the wrong way. Seems like his queen was just on the wrong side the whole time. A blunder somewhere?>|
Pelletier's Queen was on the right side.
After 26 ...Nf6! it took just one mistake, the move 27 Qb6 (instead of 27 Bg2) to let slip White's advantage, although not enough by itself to lose the game.
After 26...Nf6! White's B was no longer a weapon which did useful work on h3 attacking a N on d7, but a target for the attack ...Bc8. 27 Bg2 would have moved the bishop out of the range of the attack and avoided getting the N on f5 pinned to the bishop.
A second mistake, 28 Kg2 (instead of 28 g4) may have lost the game.
|Jul-26-08|| ||percyblakeney: Carlsen lines up rooks, queen and king on d8-g8 on move 18 and there they stand while he gets a winning position through exchanging the other pieces except for one bishop that is returned to c8.|
|Jul-27-08|| ||Ulhumbrus: <percyblakeney: Carlsen lines up rooks, queen and king on d8-g8 on move 18 and there they stand while he gets a winning position through exchanging the other pieces except for one bishop that is returned to c8.> That is because after returning to c8 the bishop is placed threateningly, the Rooks are placed magnificently and the Queen is placed subtly. The lesson which this suggests is that an army placed mostly at home is an ace away from winning. One of the reasons for this is that in the position in question the men are not obstructed badly, and it does not take too long to get three of them into play.|
|Jul-27-08|| ||al wazir: 37. Qd4 was the losing move. With 37. Rc3 white could have hung on.|
|Jul-27-08|| ||messachess: <After 26 ...Nf6! it took just one mistake, the move 27 Qb6 (instead of 27 Bg2) to let slip White's advantage...>|
Now I see that 27...Qb6 was an attempt to prevent g6 as the black N would be unguarded.
I have to admit, I do not see an actual advantage with black after 27...Bg2--although now I've been alerted the possibility. Thanks <Ulhumbrus>
|Jul-27-08|| ||messachess: 27...Bg2 certainly puts the white B on guard. It would have been interesting to see the game from there, or, from 28.g4.
Certainly, after 30...h5 white's position begins to crumble. But, 28.g4 would also invite h5 (or, Re5?)|
|Jul-27-08|| ||Comejen: wow,it is an amazing game!|
|Jul-27-08|| ||blacksburg: carlsen seems to be developing a habit of giving the opponent what he wants, and then punishing him on the other side of the board. |
here, he lets white have the Nf5, and lets the white queen invade his position on the queenside. even after 28...Ne4, it still doesn't look like black has a decisive kingside attack; it seems like white would have plenty of time to bring his queen back. then, 2 moves later, ...h5, and now it's really scary.
|Aug-01-08|| ||foodfight: A video at chessedelic covers this game starting at 22. Qb2
|Oct-28-08|| ||notyetagm: 27 ... ?
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27 ... ♗b7-c8!
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27 ... ♗b7-c8! <PINS> the White f5-knight against the <UNDEFENDED> White h3-bishop.
|Dec-04-16|| ||Dave12: 41.e4 Bxe4 42.Rxe4 Qf3+ and Qxe4 is a simple win.|
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