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Gata Kamsky vs Ruslan Ponomariov
Tal Memorial (2008), Moscow RUS, rd 9, Aug-27
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense (C65)  ·  1/2-1/2


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Aug-27-08  JonathanJ: the position after move 73 100% drawn. isn't it a rule that the game is automatically declared a draw in such positions?
Aug-27-08  Xeroxx: You have played to much online chess I see.
Aug-27-08  Riverbeast: Doesn't 38...a1 (Q) win?
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  WannaBe: Shredder thinks 67...Ne6 wasn't good at all.

Any other engine(s) agree?

Aug-27-08  Open Defence: actually 67...Ne6 is also a tablebase draw as is 67...Nc6+ is that Shredder's recommendation ?

Zappa ranks both of them equally, (I think Zappa seems to have one of the best end game evals I have seen)

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  WannaBe: <Open Defence> When I went to lokasoft, it said position not in database/tablebase... Strange.
Aug-27-08  Open Defence: <Wannabe> try using Shredder's online TB through your Shredder GUI (you should see a button in the bottom right "Online" though you have had Shredder longer than I have fooled around with engines so I bet you know more about it than me)
Aug-27-08  Open Defence: I wonder if Aquarium has such features
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  WannaBe: <Open Defence> Yep, you're right. Draw.
Aug-28-08  Chuckles: <Riverbeast>: It sure looks like it does, since White loses the bishop, but there's analysis on the tournament page calling it a draw. Black wins the piece but has problems with his pawns.

38...a1Q 39.Rxg7+ Rxg7 40.Rxg7+ Kh8 41.Bxa1 Rxa1 42.Rc7

Aug-29-08  JonathanJ: <Xeroxx> you are right, but the last move still makes absolutely no sense.
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  acirce: <the position after move 73 100% drawn. isn't it a rule that the game is automatically declared a draw in such positions?> Yes, it is. Strictly according to the rules, the game should have ended after 73..Nxc7. Of course, in the real world nobody cares about being that strict about it. But rules are rules! :-)
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