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Veselin Topalov vs Magnus Carlsen
Bilbao Grand Slam Chess Final (2008)  ·  Sicilian Defense: Dragon Variation. Yugoslav Attack Old Line (B78)  ·  1-0
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Sep-10-08  shorsman: I've just upgraded my membership for this! Have I wasted $25?
Sep-10-08  nikiml: they are on move 16 already
Sep-10-08
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  Geronimo: No, <shorsman> welcome to CG. It's a great site.
Sep-10-08
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  Robin01: Probably still in theory on move 16 -- so you probably have not missed much.
Sep-10-08
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  Geronimo: Definitely still in theory if 16 moves in under one minute of play!
Sep-10-08  Ulhumbrus: So it's the Dragon. We are in for an interesting evening.
Sep-10-08  abstraction: It's worth 25 bucks to see someone above 2500 play the dragon, isn't it?
Sep-10-08
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  Geronimo: Sicilian in the Ivanchuk - Radjabov match too. But too early (move 6) to say which variation.
Sep-10-08  Mateo: 13. Rhe1 Ivanchuk vs Carlsen, 2008 1/2-1/2, round 2.
Sep-10-08  shorsman: yeah - if only I understood chess played at a level > 2500!
Sep-10-08  Mateo: 16. Bh6 L Dominguez vs Carlsen, 2008 1/2-1/2.
Sep-10-08  Ulhumbrus: One way for Black to lose in just three moves is 17 Bh6 gxf3 18 Bxg7 Nxg7 19 Qh6
Sep-10-08  Mateo: 16...Rc5 is not in the Opening explorer. Obviously Carlsen prepared it at home, as he played it quickly.
Sep-10-08
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  Robin01: Carlsen probably prepared it after the Dominguez game.
Sep-10-08
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  boz: <Ulhumbrus: One way for Black to lose in just three moves is 17 Bh6 gxf3 18 Bxg7 Nxg7 19 Qh6>

Then it's sac, sac, mate.

Sep-10-08  Mateo: <Ulhumbrus: One way for Black to lose in just three moves is 17 Bh6 gxf3 18 Bxg7 Nxg7 19 Qh6> That's nice but I found some ways for Black to lose in one move.
Sep-10-08
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  Robin01: And it looks like Topalov was not expecting it, so we can see what refutation he can come up with over-the-board!
Sep-10-08
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  boz: Carlsen must have total confidence in his Dragon preparation and ability to assess the middlegame aftermath. He's allowing himself to be tested by some of the best theorists (Topalov and Ivanchuk) in the game.
Sep-10-08  Ulhumbrus: <Mateo: <Ulhumbrus: One way for Black to lose in just three moves is 17 Bh6 gxf3 18 Bxg7 Nxg7 19 Qh6> That's nice but I found some ways for Black to lose in one move.> This reminds me of Stan Laurel
Sep-10-08  grebenarov: < Mateo: 16...Rc5 is not in the Opening explorer. Obviously Carlsen prepared it at home, as he played it quickly. > ...an also 16...Rc5 was the first move Topalov thought after for a while. I wonder if he's played 17.Bh6 before
Sep-10-08
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  Robin01: It is possibly the rook went to c5 to take the white knight in case the knight goes to d5.
Sep-10-08  Ulhumbrus: Perhaps one point of 16...Rc5 is that on 18 Bxg7 Kxg7 19 Rxh5 gxh5 20 Qg5+ Ng6 discovers an attack upon the White Queen.
Sep-10-08  chezzy: And the c5 rook also defends the knight on h5 indirectly.
Sep-10-08  Woody Wood Pusher: white has a lot of activity for the pawns, Carlsen needs to be careful here
Sep-10-08
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  Robin01: I believe that is the nature of the Dragon. If black can get to the endgame, it is black who usually has the advantage.
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