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Veselin Topalov vs Magnus Carlsen
Bilbao Grand Slam Chess Final (2008)  ·  Sicilian Defense: Dragon Variation. Yugoslav Attack Old Line (B78)  ·  1-0
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Sep-10-08
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  tpstar: It is quite remarkable how Carlsen is singlehandedly reviving the Dragon after decades of disrepute. If he continues to score well with 12. Kb1 a6 then we might see more interest in 12. Bg5. M Kodric vs V Malakhov, 2001

I would think the Najdorf or Sveshnikov would suit his style better, but he must be seeing something in Black's set-up here.

Sep-10-08  Fiberking: I do not trust this ...a6 move whatsoever, like I posted before when youn master Carlsen played this during Bilbao and before. It seems so slow, and each tempo can be critical in the Yugoslav Attack. I hope I am wrong, but I see Topa winning this with some ease.
Sep-10-08  Woody Wood Pusher: 18.Bxg7, Kxg7 19. f4, Nf3 20. Nxf3, gxf3 seems slightly better for black, what else can white try?
Sep-10-08  Ulhumbrus: 18 Bxg7 Kxg7 19 Nd5 obstructs Black's Rc5 on the fifth rank so that eg after 19...b5 20 Rxh5 gxh5 21 Qg5+ Ng6 doesn't discover an attack on White's Q and on 22 Nf5+ Bxf5 23 exf5 e5 24 f6+ Kg8 25 Qh6 wins However that is only one variation
Sep-10-08  Mateo: <Ulhumbrus: 18 Nd5 obstructs Black's Rc5 on the fifth rank> I think Nd5 is the good idea (for the reason you gave), but right now I think it doesn't work. Black just answers 18...Bxh6. So first, 18.Bxg7 Kxg7 is what I expect.
Sep-10-08  abstraction: <shorsman: yeah - if only I understood chess played at a level > 2500!> I certainly can't pretend to know the ins and outs of this level either, but I think that the chess world , ie, the chess fans, have appreciated Carlsen's youthful yet incredibly thoughtful and energetic combination of contemporary technique with old fashioned intuition about the psychology of positions and tempi.
Sep-10-08  Ulhumbrus: <Mateo: <Ulhumbrus: 18 Nd5 obstructs Black's Rc5 on the fifth rank> I think Nd5 is the good idea (for the reason you gave), but right now I think it doesn't work. Black just answers 18...Bxh6. So first, 18.Bxg7 Kxg7 is what I expect.> I agree.
Sep-10-08  benjinathan: Nd5 or f4?
Sep-10-08
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  agb2002: I think Topalov will play f5
Sep-10-08  Woody Wood Pusher: The black king needs to get his queen out of bed....for a change lol
Sep-10-08  rahidz2003: If Topalov plays f5, is the g4 pawn toast?
Sep-10-08
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  agb2002: <rahidz2003: If Topalov plays f5, is the g4 pawn toast?> Carlsen can play g3
Sep-10-08  Woody Wood Pusher: 20. Bxc4, Rxc4 21. f5, Rh8 22. Rxg4, Nf6 still seems good for black IMO
Sep-10-08  grebenarov: What are the comp. evaluations and predicted moves? Anybody?
Sep-10-08  Whiteresigns: <rahidz2003: If Topalov plays f5, is the g4 pawn toast?> If he plays it right now, the queen is toast ; )
Sep-10-08  Woody Wood Pusher: evaluation -0.5
Sep-10-08  Rottamo:


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Analysis by Rybka 3 good:

21.f4-f5 e7-e5
(0.33) Depth: 15 00:00:28 5293kN

Sep-10-08  Woody Wood Pusher: Carlsen playing so fast..is he still in home prep?
Sep-10-08  Mateo: 21.f5 threatens Rxh5. So Black could play 21...e5 controling g5.
Sep-10-08  Marmot PFL: This looks similar to Anand-Carlsen, but without the exchange sac Rxc3 so far. maybe Nd4-e2 is good just to prevent that.
Sep-10-08  jeremy24: Can anyone explain e5?
Sep-10-08
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  boz: That black g4 pawn is a pain in the groin.
Sep-10-08
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  agb2002: <boz: That black g4 pawn is a pain in the groin.> How about Rxg4?
Sep-10-08  Ulhumbrus: <jeremy24: Can anyone explain e5?> One unsatisfactory explanation is that Carlsen doesn't think that alternatives to ...e5 work as well
Sep-10-08  rahidz2003: I think the point of e5 is that if Topalov captures the g4 pawn now, he loses the knight.
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