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Viswanathan Anand vs Vladimir Kramnik
"White Lies" (game of the day Dec-22-10)
Anand-Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)  ·  Nimzo-Indian Defense: Classical. Noa Variation (E34)  ·  1-0
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Oct-21-08
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  GM Julio Becerra: <Eyal> maybe 21...Nc6.
Oct-21-08  namar: anand is gaining upperhand?!
Oct-21-08
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  Sneaky: <flapjack> Hehe good one.

I remember the GM everybody used to "love to hate" was Karpov, and for all the same reasons. "Too defensive", "not willing to take chances", bla bla bla. Before him it was Petrosian, but that's before my time. In retrospect all of these guys are loved ... but during their reign as champs there are always whiners who long for a champion like Alekhine or Tal.

Back to the game: you suppose that g4 is a weakness that Black can exploit?

Oct-21-08
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  Marmot PFL: I hope kramnik hasn't blundered again...
Oct-21-08
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  GM Renier Gonzalez: c6 is a possible threat here
Oct-21-08  AdrianP: Answering my own question: no! Ne4 c6
Oct-21-08
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  SetNoEscapeOn: A friend sent me the line Ne4? c6! wins due to Re8 Bxe7 Rxe7 Ne5! Nf6 cxb7! Rxc1+ Kd2 Rxg1 b8=Q+, etc.
Oct-21-08  Karpova: Rybka 3 gives +0.34 after 19...bxc5
http://chessok.com/broadcast/live.p...
Oct-21-08  Woody Wood Pusher: <sneaky> I'm a big Karpov fan, he is nothing like Kramnik IMO because although he played mainly to draw as black, this was because he was such a killer with white.

When Karpov needed to, he could win with black and he had a repertoire that enabled him to go out and play for the full point with both colours. When he needed to rack up the wins, he could

he didn't finish Linare 1994 with +9 =4 by only playing draw with black!

Oct-21-08  cludi: What about 19...Ned5?
Oct-21-08  emayev: "I hope kramnik hasn't blundered again..."

me too. I like both Anand and Kramnik, and I'd like to see both play well. Even if Anand is just better than Kramnik right now I don't want to see Kramnik giving games away.

Oct-21-08
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  Marmot PFL: <Rybka 3 gives +0.34 after 19...bxc5 > Than I am missing something cause why not 20.Bxc5 and b4?
Oct-21-08  AdrianP: If Kramnik can exchange off a knight for one of the bishops, I reckon he could draw this a pawn down. With the bishop pair on and weaknesses on the queenside, he's booked in for a long unrewarding session in Vishy's sweatbox.
Oct-21-08  Karpova: <19... bxc5 20. Bxc5 Ne4 21. b4 Nxc5 22. bxc5 Bxf3 23. Bxf3 Rc7 24. Kd2 Rfc8 25. Ke3 f6 26. Rgd1 Kf8 27. Be4 Rxc5 28. Rd8+ Kf7 29. Rxc8 Rxc8 30. Rxc8 Nxc8 31. Kd4 h6 32. Bb7 Nb6 33. Bc6 Ke7 34. Kc5 f5 Rybka3_8cpu (0:09.54)+0.30|d22)>

Source: http://chessok.com/broadcast/live.p...

Oct-21-08  cludi: Ooops.
19...Ned5 20.Ne5!
Oct-21-08  Woody Wood Pusher: <he's booked in for a long unrewarding session in Vishy's sweatbox.>

what is Vishy wearing cricket whites?

Oct-21-08
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  GM Julio Becerra: Maybe Kramnik is not trusting his instincts here.. as he missed the Ne3 yesterday completly
Oct-21-08
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  Eyal: Speaking of Karpov, here's a summary by Dennis Monokroussos of what he has been saying at Foidos during the last hour:

<After discussing what he's doing (going around here and there representing Russia and starting various chess schools), he offered various opinions about contemporary chess.

* He doesn't like knockout events either for the world championship or for world championship cycles.

* Thinks 12 games is too short; 16 is about right.

* Thinks chess has changed over the last few years, but not so much because of the computers but the time control. It makes the game younger. Also, the loss of adjournments has hurt the quality of the game.

* He doesn't see anyone dominating chess in the foreseeable future like and Kasparov did. Maybe, he thinks, this is due to computers, but he's not sure.

* On current ratings, he thinks it's clear that there's inflation. He also thinks that ratings are generally overrated.

* Here's something bound to be controversial: he thinks Anand has become more mechanical thanks to his work with computers. Maybe he plays more accurately, but he has lost some fantasy, some creativity.

* Asked about creative players of today, he only referred to Morozevich, and this after prompting from Seirawan. Noted Morozevich's willingness to risk, and that this allowed him to sometimes have very good results and occasionally very bad results.

* About young players, he opined that Rajdabov had "missed his best time" already, by which he seemed to mean that his development had reached a premature stagnation, such that it's unlikely he'll develop to the very highest level of play. He was very positive about Carlsen, but felt that he is maybe missing some parts of his chess education. Had Carlsen been in Russia from an early age, Karpov feels that he'd have already become world champion.

* Karpov doesn't like what's going on in FIDE. The time controls and various rules and regulations (like the "stupid" mobile phone rule) are awful. He thinks that on some topics, world champions should have a right of veto. He further thinks there should be different rules for swisses, round-robins and world championship events. Certain blitz rules and their enforcement should also be changed. Finally, in FIDE, stronger chess countries should have more votes; it shouldn't be a straight democracy where a country with almost no players and no strong ones should have the same influence as a Russia, Germany or United States.>

Oct-21-08  MindCtrol9: I think when White gets the Rooks in coordination,has the edge.
Oct-21-08
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  maxi: How the heck can Kramnik be in this kind of trouble in 19 moves?!
Oct-21-08  pankajdaga: <Nigel Short> Black has no clear road to equality.
Oct-21-08  Pictura: why is kramnik in trouble? Rfd8
Oct-21-08  pankajdaga: <maxi> No time trouble...yet...

Anand just has analyzed Kramnik's game to a T. He is posing all kinds of problems and Kramnik is having a lot of trouble to come up with answers.

This is not as sharp a game as 3 and 5 but Anand is applying a kind of squeeze that we normally associate with Vlad.

He is being outplayed... I have a feeling that if he looses today, he will wish that the match is over soon...

Oct-21-08
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  acirce: What Kramnik might have intended is 19..a5 20.Bd2 Ne4 and now he's realized that this fails to 21.Ng5! which will favour White in the end. It's just a guess. However, 19..bxc5 also seems to be OK.
Oct-21-08
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  Marmot PFL: <Karpova:> Pretty fast computer to that much depth that quickly.
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