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Viswanathan Anand vs Vladimir Kramnik
"Taking Bonn-Bonn From a Baby" (game of the day Mar-19-2015)
Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008), Bonn GER, rd 6, Oct-21
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Classical. Noa Variation (E34)  ·  1-0


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Oct-21-08  MindCtrol9: <Eyal> Good comment about Karpov.I like Karpov.
Oct-21-08  hrvyklly: <maxi: How the heck can Kramnik be in this kind of trouble in 19 moves?!> Perhaps Kramnik is psychologically beaten, kind of like Spassky in 1972 - Spassky pulled himself together, but that match was 24 games not 12.
Oct-21-08  cludi: Kramnik is surely in some sort of trouble here but maybe 19...Rfd8 is best the try?
Oct-21-08  awalters869: you have to wonder where vlady is psychologically --- two losses against the black pieces --- his confidence has got to be shaken + I cant remember the last time he won a game with the blacks under standard time controls --- looks like he is in a bit of trouble again!
Oct-21-08  Whiteresigns: Thank you <Eyal>. Comments are much appreciated here.
Oct-21-08  radu stancu: <Eyal> Thanks for posting Karpov's words.
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  PhilFeeley: I'm surprised Kramnik is thinking so long here. Isn't ...bxc5 forced?
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  eternaloptimist: <Woody Wood Pusher> My favorite player is also Karpov, & he always has been since I was in my teens ~15 years old. One thing about him that amazes me is that he can control the board really well even when all of his pieces are on the back 2 ranks! I prefer his boa constrictor style to a cobra style. I've seen so many piece sacrifices in my life that it got to the point where it was like: "so what another sacrifice". It impresses me more when someone squeezes his opponent slowly but surely by accumulating small advantages than a quick strike attack.
Oct-21-08  hrvyklly: <awalters869> Nice to see that we two with Fischer avatars are thinking along the same lines... ;-)
Oct-21-08  cludi: Yes, 19...Rfd8 takes the steam out of the c6 threat but is it enough to keep things level?
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  ray keene: i agree-the number of games shd be 16 for a world title match-this has always been a reliable indicator in the past-however i dont agree that anand has become less creative-just look at game 3 and game 5-and the position we have now is pretty creative from whites point of view-also look in what low esteem anand seems to regard castling -when getting castled is like a mantra for most players! his continual refusal to castle is highly creative in my view.i think he missed castling in 4 out of 6 games so far-is that right?
Oct-21-08  morr: <Eyal> The summary of the Karpov conversation and other periodic updates are at Dennis' blog:
Oct-21-08  MindCtrol9: <Karpov strungle the players positionally,and if there is slight mistake,he can sacrifice pieces as well.I learned a lot with his games againt Kasparov in the first match>
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  Marmot PFL: Rfd8 looks like a deep move to keep the white king back, and white's other rook out of play.
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  TheAlchemist: 19...Rfd8, I wonder whether he fall into <Eyal>'s line like he did yesterday into the Ne3 one...

Maybe the 21...Nc6 suggestion was worth consideration.

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  GM Renier Gonzalez: kramnik can blunder at any point here guys :)
Oct-21-08  nimh: Ehlvest has said that Kramnik is more creative and Anand's plays is based on computer. Perhaps there's some truth in it, but I dare to disagree.
Oct-21-08  pankajdaga: Anand is slowly building advantage...Ne5 is strong... He is playing faster too now..
Oct-21-08  hrvyklly: <MindCtrol9: <Karpov strungle... >> I've always wanted to strungle somebody...
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  parmetd: I think Ehlvest is spot on
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  beenthere240: That should get whites g rook in play!
Oct-21-08  maxi: It's uphill from now on for Mr. K.
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  GM Renier Gonzalez: I like Anand's position here. I think he could win this
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  Marmot PFL: Now Nd3 will also defend c5. Did Kramnik overlook that?
Oct-21-08  Woody Wood Pusher: <ray> I agree about 16 games to. Maybe there is some slight translation ambiguity about exactly what Karpov means about Anand. I think his play has changed to, not less creativity but more accuracy and getting better positions for his style without taking needless risk, or lashing out.
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