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Kieran O'Brien vs David Salter
XXIV European Club Cup (2008), Kallithea GRE, rd 4, Oct-20
French Defense: Winawer Variation. Winckelmann-Riemer Gambit (C15)  ·  0-1
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Mar-19-12  Memethecat: I don't envy whites choice of K exposed or castle into 2 semi-open files with Rs on them.

<viking78> I don't know if this is correct, I think if you wanted to you could reach this position after 98 or 100 moves, but that would be very difficult. The real puzzle is why white played this opening =)

1e4 c6
2Bc4 e6
3Bxe6 dxe6

Mar-19-12  viking78: <Memethecat> I don't think it's a real game lol. It is a created puzzle I think. You got the position, but in 3 moves, <solskytz> did it in 3 and a half moves, but the puzzle asked for 4 moves both from white and black.
Mar-19-12
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  Oxspawn: <viking78> Very nice. I was trying king moves and queen moves, but the options seemed to be to get to the position in 3 moves or 5 moves. To get the 4 moves, one has to understand that the pawn on c6 came from c7, and not by taking from d7. The brain often refuses to deliver up the most simple explanation - such as that white made three moves with the bishop, desperate to commit suicide but unable to find anyone to assist. An opening entirely without Dignitas!
Mar-19-12  uberpwnz: 1.e4 e6
2.Bb5 Ke7
3.Bd7 c6
4.Be8 Ke8

Piece of cake.

Mar-19-12  uberpwnz: Oh and btw, this puzzle was initially invented by Tal
Mar-19-12  viking78: <uberpwnz: 1.e4 e6
2.Bb5 Ke7
3.Bd7 c6
4.Be8 Ke8

Piece of cake.>

<uberpwnz: Oh and btw, this puzzle was initially invented by Tal>

Well thanks, I didn't knew who invented it I just found it on the net and shared it thinking it's something nice. And it's maybe piece of cake if you know it, but if the great Tal invented it I think he was able to create a puzzle which when first appeared gave some thinking to the solvers.

Mar-19-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Gilmoy: A Knight version of the <swinging gate>!
Mar-19-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: Still another version of the Reti-Tartokower theme-this time against a castled king,and without the double check-but with the knight guarding the base square.
Mar-19-12  sevenseaman: For today's main puzzle (Windmill) following correct solution was posted in my forum as requested by me to early solvers.

< Jedzz: For today's puzzle, black forces the rook back and forth. Not for a draw, but a win.

1. ... Qf1+ 2. Rg1 Qf3+ 3. Rg2 Qd1+ 4. Rg1 Qxd5+ 5. Rg2 Qd1+ 6. Rg2 Qf3+ 7. Rg2 Rd1#>

Nice work <Jedzz>.

Mar-19-12  BOSTER: <LTJ> <This is my 1,000th post>. Congratulation!

But how I remember you have written <Patiot> < I've been on this site since 2005. I have over 131,000 tries>.

In what kind of the brain do you calculate this?

Mar-19-12  LoveThatJoker: <BOSTER> Thanks for the congratulations! I appreciate it!

Regarding what I wrote to Patriot that was referring to http://chess.emrald.net/ and not chessgames.com

<In what kind of the brain do you calculate this?> Only yours.

You are still confusing what Patriot and I were talking about on Friday with something else: he even made it a point to tell you, directly, that the discussion was regarding another site and not chessgames.com!

LTJ

Mar-19-12  master of defence: What happens after 20. Nxh5?
Mar-19-12  stst: How to avoid a Monday "Q-sac"?
Not this time, a Q-sac again:
20....Qxh2+
21.Kxh2 (only way to delay) Nf6 dis+ &nix the White Q at the same time!!
Mar-19-12  LIFE Master AJ: 20...QxP/h2+; 21.KxQ▢; NxN/g3+; (discovered check, from the B♖ on h8) It looks like White gets mated on h1.

This took a little longer than the average Monday ...

Mar-19-12  MichaelJHuman: I found it interesting both of black's rooks contributed.
Mar-19-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  dzechiel: Black to move (20...?). White is up two pawns. "Very Easy."

Back from a short vacation. This is our typical Monday position, with the obligatory queen sacrifice.

Black winds it up with...

20...Qxh2+ 21 Kxh2 Nxg3+ 22 Kg1 Rh1#

Pretty combination. The ratings of the players look a little light for this database.

Mar-19-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  chrisowen: Alive rye ah forage mak in delve to born and credible <20...qxh2+ 21.kxh2 nxg3+>

He got the h4 whirled inner queen play h2+ absolute benediction knightg3

well it is to speak in direct win kg1 rh1#

Enclave 20...qxh2+ massive gate for price coughing rook harangue lecture

it her ring see publish in gleams queen eddy horse give check for drat

spot toe-ends hamper kg1 h1 shake mottle in elicit hog in

His hand it trigger in ok again ineasy it I think it is the zappa gain mushrooms it aid in e5?

It ie good call qh4 a soluble wash down in hackling the win.

Mar-19-12  galdur: Black mobes Qxh2+ 'n affeh the, uh uh uh, forcid Kxh2, Ng3+ 'n checkmate next mobe.
Mar-19-12  M.Hassan: <abuzic:In this line first 20.h3 Nf4 is winning for black> Quite agreed and you are right. I did'nt see it.

<and second in your line 23...Bxe6 gives black better position and probably winning endgame.>

but e6 is a Black pawn and black bishop can not take it. it appears that there is an error in here.

<White should have played instead of 19.Qe5, 19.Nxh5 or 19.Qxe4> Absolutely and thanks for your comments

Mar-19-12  Memethecat: <chrisowen> I do believe you are losing the plot. Was that a cognitive answer that slipped out? ☺
Mar-19-12
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  WinKing: <Memethecat: <chrisowen> I do believe you are losing the plot. Was that a cognitive answer that slipped out?>

Don't be fooled <Memethecat>, <chrisowen> will tease us once in awhile. It still requires the savvy of a 'Windtalker' to consistently know what is really being said. ;)

Mar-19-12
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  TheFocus: <chrisowen> IMHO, the absolute greatest poster ever at <CG>!
Mar-19-12  galdur: Mr. Owen translated

<Alibe rye ah f'age mak in delbe t' born 'n crediggle <20...qxh2+ 21.kxh2 nxg3+>

He got de h4 whirlid inneh keen play h2+ absoloot benedicshun kniteg3

webuhll it is t' speak in direck winb kg1 rh1#

Enclabe 20...qxh2+ massibe gate f' price coughigg rook harangue leckure

it heh rigg see publish in gleams keen ebby horse gibe check f' drat

spot toe-ends hampeh kg1 h1 shake mottle in elicit hog in

His hand it triggeh in ok again ineasy it I dink it is de zappa gain mushrooms it aid in e5, duh...uh...?

It ie good call qh4 a soluggle wash down in hackligg the, uh, the win.>

Mar-19-12  1stboard: White walks right into it with 18 O-O , so castling for safety is not always the best.
Mar-19-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  chrisowen: <Memethecat> <WinKing> <TheFocus> What a scream light it bind to elicit one queen in eh,

Banger it hope principle wangle together h2+ kingh2 g3+in well it a lesson

Good king formula for success old one too radical eg ok bhang hi pistol engine at mate qxh2+

In free it a pin fibula nxg3+ kg1 rh1#

fetching back yer led pencil knight in g3 all ergy it you in almighty it also in wing couple tether gestate h2 adventure e4?

Clave sugar on fiel it tow in try it qh4 again park in h2

Gone space find rook as haggling carpet in from it again,

francine seep queenh2 rook in black gharials nap off the poll endanger it each in ah present firm case it her gabba in ok smelt the gun g3 h1 king#

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